I never did either -- maybe that was the problem; might be one of those things that don't work unless you "believe" !
The fact that I tried it shows how desperate I was starting to feel; I did resort to using a little rubber tube thingy that my sister-in-law gave me a few years ago; it's about 4" long and maybe 1" in diameter, with little ridges on the inner surface -- you put a clove inside and roll it on the counter and it really does actually work, but if you roll too hard it shreds the clove up and not hard enough and it does nothing. Still, it WAS somewhat of an improvement over manually peeling (or at least it was a change of pace).
