Stone - yes I do check the permies forums from time to time. I try to incorporate as much as I can into my long-established perennial gardens with just a small space for veg growing. I'm in an oak/hickory woods and not a lot of direct sun so am limited but curious. I was wondering about veg like radish or peppers. Tomatoes I get popping up from compost but haven't had the space to experiment with the possible fruit results. I have hog peanut but it currently grows in the shade around perennials. I let a few radishes flower this year but seeds aren't ready yet. I let a missed carrot from last year go to flower this year, more for beneficials.