I have been to Thelma's several times. It is really enjoyable to walk all the rows. Can't help you with the two you have no ID for because there are many that are so similar. I think you are right to knock out Gudren as a possibility as that bloom is far larger than Gundren's. to the forum. Always nice to have another NC representative.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
to the forum. Always nice to have another NC representative. 
