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From another thread....

Lyshack said:Have you ever felt like you were about to do something so stupid, that you know you shouldn't do it, yet you're going to do it anyway? don't do it... don't do it... ah, I'm doing it.

I'm doing a Tim

admmad said: "I do not think that it is possible to formally define "prebloom" and have the definition be biologically correct and not simply be arbitrary."

admmad said:"Prebloom" scapes are simply scapes that have survived winter at a different "age" or developmental stage than is typical for the cultivar. "

Sounds like a pretty good start to a definition..........

Post from The thread "'Late Summer Breeze' way too early? or not?" in Daylilies forum

admmad said:
Or it can mean that the plant produced all the leaves associated with a scape in the previous year but winter arrived before it was able to grow/elongate the scape that year. The temperatures fell too low so it could not grow at the end of the previous year's growing season. The scape over-wintered successfully and was produced outside of a regular fan of leaves.
BUT
At the end of the previous year's growing season a plant may have produced almost all the leaves it needed to produce before elongating its scape. The next growing season it will complete the growth of the leaves by producing how ever many it was unable to produce the previous year and then elongate the scape.

That means a "pre-bloom) scape may have one leaf "below" it, or it may have two leaves "below" it [one on either side of the scape] or it may have three leaves, or four or five... up to almost the number of leaves it would have in its "normal" or "average" growth pattern.

Identifying a scape as a "pre-bloom" scape when it has no leaves below it (it is outside of a fan) seems reliable, Identifying a scape as a "pre-bloom" scape when it has one or two leaves "below" it would also seem reasonably reliable since no daylily cultivar is known that can produce a scape for every two leaves. After that, with each increase in the number of leaves below the scape it becomes more an more arbitrary whether the scape appeared in a "normal" position or might be a "pre-bloom" scape.

and an explanation of how daylily people have been using the term "prebloom" for 24 years or more. AHS/ADS frequently defines and identifies daylily specific terms. As always, definitions of this type would be under Scientific Studies Committee review. Perhaps they will look at it. I hope they do.