Name: Ronnie (Veronica) Southeastern PA (Zone 6b) Count your blessings, be grateful
Yes Anne, the Kikyos are on the short side and you can also grow the Nils and keep them short by growing in pots and snipping them. Kind of like bonsai plants. I have a photo of how to cut them in my photo folder I'll post it when I find it.
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