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Mar 3, 2023 4:48 PM CST
Name: Empress of India
Hatfield MA (Zone 5b)
Master Gardener/Western MA
I'm wondering if the steadiness of low temperatures helps; I know I have some marginally hardy stuff to my area that survives counter-intuitively in the lowest part of my yard -- the coldest part. And I wonder if something about that helps in a way, even though it's colder, it's cold and steady, compared to other parts of the yard that warm up and freeze periodically through the winter - so no freeze/thaw. I wonder if the artichokes would be better off with a steady freeze.

I've never tried bananas here, but I have overwintered them indoors. Theoretically, it can be done.

I've never managed rosemary outdoors and feel like it's analogous -- trying rosemary outdoors under an overturned pyrex bowl from Goodwill this year. As far as I can tell, nobody in zone 5 manages rosemary consistently, especially now when we don't have reliable snow cover in New England.

We don't know until we try, I guess.

I read through the thread and hear the issues with mice/voles. I have those as an ongoing thing but have managed around it by planting daffodils around the vulnerable...I move daffs in the green, in the spring, so conceivably -- I could surround the newly planted artichokes with daffodils, to protect them from critters.

Also starting cardoons. Assuming it's a similar deal. Although I know what to do what to do with an artichoke if I ever harvest one. Cardoons are purely theoretical but have you seen these things? They're gorgeous.

Anyway: would love to hear any successes and failures.
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