Whoa! Brad, that was more than any two cents worth. What a bunch of good info. I went to the database and checked the lineage as you said and I see some real possibilities from those selections. I will have to obtain them at the first opportunity. The pic of 'Inside Track' in my plant list was shot at Rockytop Garden in Tennessee where I introduce and I thought Phil provided me with a rhizome of that one as I left that day, but I was unable to find it when I got home. So back to square one. I sound like the kid that went to the candy store with no money right about now. As I said earlier this project kinda got slid to the back burner for a while but for some reason this winter my interest has been piqued again and I will go after it again with new energy this year. Of course, you are an iris person and you knew that last pic of the sdlg. with the bright orange red beard would get me going. So right . I don't suppose you have any extra info of any kind on that one that would help me? Any way thanks for all the good pics and the quick response . This thread has turned out to be very productive in a short time. I am happy to have found this website. It seems so much more personal and friendly than Dave's . At least to me. thanks again