Lynn you should have better weather up there than we have here. Do you get snow and ground freezing? Our winter starts anywhere from the end of October until the middle of March or April. Cold, snow, ice and temperatures 0 to 20 in the day time by the end of December until March. Boy! I'm depressing myself. That is why by Jan. I'm tired of winter, Feb. I'm scratching at the windows for sun or some signs of life and March I'm at the door with my rake and clippers every morning waiting for any break in the weather to go out and do some gardening. I always thought OR. had mild winters. Let me keep thinking that it is a place where I should live. I've a few Sempervivums that made it through the winter even though I planted them late. I love their simple beauty.