DD, my first thought for the first one was
Clematis 'Nelly Moser' because of the red anthers. While similar to Bee's Jubilee, it's anthers have brown tips. The second one can't be Ramona as it has red tipped anthers unlike your white anthers.
Will Goodwin is a paler color, more lavender and it has wavy ruffled edges, very unique.
Clematis 'Will Goodwin'
It kind of reminds me of
Clematis 'Lady Betty Balfour'
