Thanks for weighing in Metro and for the links...i just need one or two more scientific references for convincing myself. And i need to review other photos that i took of this plant and count some plant parts. Right now, i too think it is ulmifolia but i need to do a little more work before i am comfortable with putting it in the database as such. I should be able to put together something in a couple of days, right now i'm short on time.