Dan - thanks for the tip on Desert King. I'll look for it. (tree mail me if you have it and sell cuttings) Frost free season here is usually mid May - Mid October (though sometimes end of May - mid September) I do have a low N fert I can use - thanks
I have been leaving them outside until it gets down to 10 degrees or so, and then bringing them in, and trying to keep them dormant as long as possible - then getting them back outside in the early spring. Last year they died back to the roots, but for 3 years in a row they didn't, they leafed out beautifully everywhere. This year I'll bring them inside when it gets below 25.