I think a compost tumbler is a waste of money. I bought one a long time ago and spent over 4 hundred dollars on it. And never got the amount of compost out of it that I get out of my bin. I can get 4-5 wheel barrows twice a year out of my bin. And maybe a five gallon bucket out of my tumbler. Now I just put vines in the tumbler they are to hard it stir in my bin.