thank you Marilyn and Clint for the information. And I can use all the help on different plants/seeds for my middle Tn zone 7 area. I am also trying to get as much Tn native plants growing here which I already have some which were already growing on this property. I am learning more all the time. Where are you located in Tn Clint? I am between Murfreesboro and Manchester. I belong to the Middle Tn Plant Swap and we are having a plant swap this Saturday, Oct 17th at Henry Horton State Park starting at 9 am with potluck lunch, and you are invited. I promise you won't go home without plants! lol