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Feb 13, 2020 7:46 AM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
I like to read stuff about the scientific angle of plant taxonomy and classification, even though I am not a botanist. I just like to know stuff I guess.

Recently the question came up about the parentage of Philodendron 'Dark Lord'. (it has been discussed before on other forums than this site, by the person who named it and by others asking about it). It is also referenced in the 'Words of Wisdom' thread here on this forum.

In a previous discussion (not here), it was mentioned that DNA testing had been attempted on a group of Philodendrons for a scientific paper published in the "Journal of the American Society of Horticultural Science" in 2004 (Devanand, Chen, Henny, Chao).

Having been undertaken in c2004, this data is, of course, outdated now. But it never the less shows some interesting insights into the genetic interrelationships of some of the plants we have come to know and love.

Salient points:
**The genus Philodendron has more than 700 identified species
**All species of Philodendron have open-pollinated unisexual flowers and are native to tropical America
** morphological differences are many. There is wide variation in growth habit (climbing, arborescent, etc) leaf size varies from small to gigantic, leaf shape is extremely variable, and there are also many color variations in leaves.

For these reasons, Philodendrons have at times dominated the ornamental foliage plants sold in the USA, ranging at times from 35-50% of the total plant market.

The first HYBRID philodendron was developed in 1887 in Italy. The first USA hybrid was done in 1936 and was a cross between P. hastatum (aka P. domesticum) x P. erubescens.

For the 2004 study, 43 cultivars plants and 5 control plants were selected. In some cases, the samples were duplicates of the same plant, but obtained from different SOURCES.

....continued in Part 2, DNA Testing
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Feb 13, 2020 2:16 PM CST
Name: Adrienne
Ohio (Zone 6b)
Yes! I had to wait for an opportune moment to read this i.e. a moment that I didn't have a toddler right at my feet begging for some sort of treat or show.
Looking forward to part 2.
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Mar 5, 2021 9:37 AM CST
Name: Jos
Gent (Belgium) (Zone 8a)
Region: Europe
@gina1960 any update on this?

Do you have any knowledge about the cultivar status of Philodendron DARK LORD? It is not mentioned on the cultivar list op the IAS.
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Mar 5, 2021 1:20 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
No, I kind of lost interest because there are so few people on the forum.
Philodendron Dark Lord is a marketing name that was made up by a seller. The plant that is sold as Dark Lord is actually Philodendron King (also called Ace) of Spades, which is an unknown hybrid that was 'discovered' and introduced in the late 1970's by parodist Russ Hammer of Florida. He found the plant in a nursery in Louisiana and the owner had no idea what it was or where it came from. He bought it. I got mine rom him in the early 2000's
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Mar 5, 2021 2:44 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Philodendron 'King of Spades' a/k/a 'Ace of Spades', a/k/a 'Dark Lord'
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Mar 5, 2021 2:46 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Here's our database entry for Philodendron 'King of Spades' also sold as 'Ace of Spades', also sold as 'Dark Lord'.
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Mar 5, 2021 6:08 PM CST
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Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
I don't really want to expose the name of the person who started marketing King/Ace of Spades as 'Dark Lord'. So I won't. But they were kind of recently forced into admitting that Dark Lord and the 'old' King/Ace of Spades are the same plant.
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