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Mar 22, 2014 3:52 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
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Mar 22, 2014 10:50 PM CST
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Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Gee, I knew it in High School. Whistling
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Mar 26, 2014 4:53 PM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
I agree
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Mar 4, 2015 9:53 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Alrighty then….
Time for an episode of “Cooking with Leftwood”, brought to you by….. me! Big Grin

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So I have all these asiatic lily bulbs that are reject seedling hybrids from Sweet Surrender, Dots and Dashs, Prawn Tiger and and that one unknown I like to call “Lily from Harvey”. For once I have lots, and plenty to actually mash them up like mash potatoes. I still haven’t found any real “recipe” or even a mention of specifically doing this, but why not? It seems anything potatoes can do, lilies can do better (or at least as well).
--- This is where, if you don’t want to delve into all the nitty-gritties, skip down to the Results below.

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And true to my “hypothesis”, my first observation concludes that lily bulbs do store better (and easier) than potatoes. These are the ones that survived 11°F in the garage. Potatoes can’t be allowed to freeze, and they dehydrate quickly in warmer temps, compared to lilies. All of these bulbs were white when I first dug them, but the ones at the top of the pails and exposed to light turned a purple tinge.

I chose the bulbs grown in the loose sand and loam, rather than ones that lived in the clay based soil. There would be less dirt to clean off, and the dirt there would be easier to remove, too. Since part of what I wanted to do was see if there was any unpalatable part of the bulb, I wanted to keep as much as I could, that would include what I expected to be the dirtier parts. I discovered I couldn’t keep any of the basal plate where the roots actually attached; I couldn’t get that part clean of soil. So I cut the lower parts of the plates off but not so much as to allow the scales I was keeping to become unattached. For most bulbs, one layer of lower scales were removed due to normal scaring, abrasion, mechanical damage and brown edges that they incur. Other brown lesions were simply cut out.

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This is an 8½ inch mixing bowl. Note that I left a lot with blemishes. Had I only kept the perfect scales, half would be gone. This proved to be completely inconsequential in the final product, and next time I will retain all blemished scales, no matter how “bad” as long as there is no brown.

In the garden, I treated all these bulbs as I do all of mine, whether they remain in the soil or are dug: fall stems are tugged and broken free from the bulb, rather than being cut, as some prefer. They always break where they attach to the basal plate. I found that with these bulbs being stored for so long before processing, the part of the plate where the stem attached was usually molded to varying degrees. So that part of the plate was discarded. There were always some scales that had to be removed simultaneously, but were still good. Hence the reason why the bowl is not full of whole bulbs.
All this preparation was tedious, compare to potatoes.

Results

Eaten raw, I have never tasted lily scales so incredibly sweet! And I’ve had a couple seasons of testing already. Think dessert sweet, like apple crisp! I found myself nibbling continually as I cleaned the bulbs, like a child in a strawberry patch. I can’t help but wonder if it is because the bulbs had gone through a cold conditioning, that they are so sweet. I wish I had thought to taste the bulbs when I first dug them in the fall, before exposure to cold, so I could compare. I certainly will next time. Della, a mission for you, should you choose to accept it (cue the Mission Impossible theme). Also, there was no aftertaste with these that I had detected in other years.

I don’t think I ever mentioned this aftertaste before. If I eat lily scales raw and without any salt, oil or anything, well, it’s actually more like a tasteless afterfeeling. I can only describe it as a bit of a silkiness in the mouth, and it dissipates fairly quickly. I don’t find it unappealing, but for me, it is noticeable. Is it just me, Della?

So these were boiled for five minutes in enough water to cover, and then drained. It’s likely that I would have only cooked them for three minutes, but a phone call happened, and this is also why I didn’t get a pic of the cooking in the water. Mashing was easy, and even though it looks like their are still fibers in the mash (not as smooth as potatoes), you can’t detect it in our mouth. Here the silkiness is a definite asset. Absolutely no mealy texture on the palate, as there are with most potatoes. Mashed lily is as smooth in the mouth as can be. I wondered how the basal plates would cook up compared to the scales, but they are undetectable. I even looked for them as I mashed, but never found any that wanted to stay whole.
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I had anticipated that mashed lily bulbs would be a rather bland dish, so I also sautéed some onions and cooked and sautéed garbanzo beans to mix with the mash. But all that was needed (if even that) was salt. The salt seemed to mellow the sweetness a bit, and it’s much more to my liking. Moisture content seemed to be the same as potatoes, and they accepted milk in the same way.

But I already had the onions and beans, so in they went, and the meal was set with a sprinkling of fresh ground pepper.
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Mar 4, 2015 10:13 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Test #2 - Mashed Lilium davidii

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These were predominantly white, too, when first dug. With complete exposure, the outside turned all purple. Asian tradition relays that strongly colored lily bulbs will be more bitter. This must apply to only freshly dug bulbs. These Lilium davidii were even sweeter than the asiatic hybrids! When I tugged the old stems from the bulbs in the garden, the stems always broke cleanly at the basal plate with the hybrids. Not so with Lilium davidii. While most of the stem was gone, on almost every bulb there were at least a few dried fibers from the stem left attached to the basal plate. These, of course, get cut out. But unlike the hybrids in the previous post, there was no mold.
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The intact bulbs were pulled apart slightly to allow for faster, more uniform cooking, and went into the boiling water for 30-45 seconds. Then everything else got dumped in and cooked for three minutes.
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Ready for mashing, the water was drained and saved. The unappealing muddy purple color disregarded, the water was sweet and seemed to have a bit of a starchy flavor. It was smooth and silky, but not like slippery water.
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Overall taste of the mash was the same as my first trial, except considerably sweeter. I can almost swear that difference in sweetness is greater mashed than it is raw between the two tests, but I cooked the hybrids yesterday and Lilium davidii today, so I can’t say for sure. Perhaps part of it could be because cooking time was less? At any rate, I’ve never been a fan of sweet potatoes, and this second batch borders on too sweet for me.
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And one more test that should be a no-brainer, but might as well be sure, so in the freezer they went.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Mar 5, 2015 5:33 AM CST

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I can see a much better idea then eating the lily bulbs.............send them too me.....hahahha
I do have a Chinese tea pot though that you put in a flower pod and it expands to a beautiful flower in your tea pot.....
and the tea is good too....

but seriously I love my lilies far to much to eat them
but can see the day when they will be so many of them out there
that...............not sure what will happen
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Mar 5, 2015 8:40 PM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Your crazy Rick....or part Chinese! Well sounds interesting. I don't know if I could bring myself to it yet but you never know. By the way I don't have any L. Davidii bulbs.... Rolling my eyes.
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Mar 8, 2015 4:25 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Look at the gastronomic fun I've missed!
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Mar 8, 2015 4:44 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Ha! Editor, you will not prevent me from having paragraphs! bwhahahahahhaha! I opened a new reply! >:]

'k. I've been unpotting alot of lilies lately, and eating. I unpotted a bunch about 4 weeks ago and they've been sitting out in the weather. I meant to cook with them but then got distracted and have been eating fresher ones instead. A scale straight from the 'soil' (asiatic hybrid) tastes like freshly shelled peas to me, or raw green beans. Sweet, crunchy, but with an aftertaste just like raw peas or beans.

In the name of science I tried some raw scales from the older, sun-exposed wilty bulbs and found they were also sweet but had no bitter aftertaste. Maybe because of the lack of aftertaste, and or lower water content (= concentrated sugars?) they seemed sweeter, more mellow. The texture was different too. They reminded me of white-fleshed nectarines. Very nice.

I wonder if sun exposure is instrumental to breaking down the bitter compounds? My bulbs weren't cold-stored. They have been out in all kinds of weather, including some very hot days. They did go somewhat purple on exposed surfaces. I found both fresh and exposed scales slightly mucilaginous while also being starchy - is this the 'silky' mouth feel?

Now I just have to ferret out enough bulbs at once for a mash! Looks yummy. I love mash! Hilarious! The preparation is tedious, but worth it. Lately I've been throwing them in soups (where they break down to add some body) and in curries. And those ultra tedious itty bitty bulbs I've been using whole.
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Mar 8, 2015 5:19 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
I have to admit rather sheepishly, that this was actually the first time I tasted the lily water by itself. Even I thought I was crazy when I thought it had a bit of a beany aftertaste, so I change it to "starchy" until I could try it again to verify. Although a bean or pea didn't cross my mind when tasting fresh scales, it good to know that I was right about the water.

Mucilaginous... maybe sort of. I thought long hard for a descriptive term, because for me, I've never experienced quite the same thing before. Not gelatinous or sticky, or stringy-coagulating (like okra), but smooth feeling without being slippery. Kind of like a good olive oil, but very thin textured.

I had my lily mash with sautéed onions and chic peas for lunch at work for a few days, and had several people try it. Everyone liked it; it's not that different from mashed potatoes. A couple co-workers who I thought would be very interested turned out to be very finicky eaters, and would even give them a taste. Another is a chef, and even had a cooking show way back when it wasn't so in vogue to do so. He was very impressed, and almost the first words out of his mouth was: "Where can I buy these bulbs?". He rattled off a bunch of different ways he'd like to experiment with them. He will open up a new realm of possibilities with expertise I know nothing about!

Edited to correct grammar.
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Mar 9, 2015 3:29 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
I've never tried lily water, and only nibbled a few lily scales uncooked, but I've definitely shelled alot of peas and munched alot beans straight off the vine. I don't think you (or I!) are imagining the beany flavour/aftertaste. There's so much culinary potential in lily bulbs, I'd love to see what your chef associate could cook up.
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Mar 9, 2015 5:23 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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I gave him a bunch of bulbs today. He asked if they could be a viable food crop to produce. Basically, I said no, that it wouldn't be cost effective. (Besides, he hasn't tried cleaning them yet. Hilarious! But his reply was that truffles cost $120 an ounce.... all you need is to create a market for them.
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Mar 11, 2015 3:56 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Maybe I could cruise with a 'Kushi Maya' Rosemary /Chives/ Thyme & Parsley, Turkey stuffing this year.. Many people have ordered 'Kushi Maya'.. I should say 'Here you go!-Inside a Turkey!" Hilarious! .. Much market for Truffles here ,Rick Thumbs up
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Mar 11, 2015 4:17 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Hilarious! One culture's peasant food is another's expensive gourmet delicacy!
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Mar 11, 2015 4:28 AM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Lilies Region: New York Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Level 1
It's funny that you say that Della. I read an article a while back that was talking about how lobster was a common lower grade shell fish in the 1800's on the east coast of the US and somehow got marketed into a high priced luxury.
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Mar 11, 2015 4:45 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Same thing happened with Abalone here. Used to be called sea-mutton it was so lowly thought of... but now! (Errr... not that lobster is cheap here either :D But they used to take just the tails and export to Japan, then throw the rest away Crying )
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Apr 22, 2015 5:59 PM CST
Name: Shannon
Burkeville,Va (Zone 7a)
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Crying Crying they were such nice looking bulbs .. I could never eat mine

Glad at least you liked it Whistling
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Apr 22, 2015 8:17 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
So my chef friend, Rich, said he prepared some with bacon. I never would have thought of that....
He made the rest into a mash like I did. Success on both counts, he said.

He had previously mentioned that perhaps the way to clean them was as one does with leeks: cut them lengthwise and then wash. It works very well, he says.

I asked him if he notice the silkiness that I describe here, and his answer was "Yes, kind of fatty".
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Apr 22, 2015 8:41 PM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
mhmm... Drooling
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May 29, 2015 3:36 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Lilium Mignon, with a little cheese & garlic Blinking
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