Tanks, Zu!! Actually, it won't do any good to look because I'm in for a bathroom/studio upgrade, and with my back yard bed being moved, I'm not going to dare order more roses until fall. I have Zephirine Drouhin & will dig her up 2moro, if we aren't snowed in, and move her over here - I killed one of the few roses I've lost, yellow, that was on my fence & was so pretty, no thorns. I have one incredibly MEAN, orange rose, that has the nastiest thorns I've ever seen, I'm terrified the dogs will run into her, but she's one of those roses that doesn't start her thorns low, thanks goodness...