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Nov 19, 2014 10:43 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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I'm a very confused, Neil, about the witchhazel pics, and a little worried, too.

If it was so difficult to get the photos released to you, do they know they are going into a privately owned data base?
And this, at least you say, is before even the states of Alabama or Mississippi have the photos in theirs?

And even more perplexing: why did they allow you to post them with a PUBLIC DOMAIN license ????????
Did they tell you in no uncertain terms that anyone and everyone can now use the photos? (That's what public domain means!)
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Nov 19, 2014 11:03 PM CST
Name: Neil
London\Kent Border
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Easy to explain. They are available on the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower site and are unrestricted except they are not allowed to be used on websites or for commercial gain. I asked them as I do not get any commercial gain and after E-mails to them they gave me permission to use them on this website.
As for Hoot Owl Hollow Nursery, although their picture are copyright to Jane Unger of the Nursery, she gave her permission for its use.
They are also available on Google and many websites that state picture from an unknown internet source.
I got permission to do this and Dave is aware of the E-mails giving me permission to do so!
I did not cheat at all. I am not greedy! For the Lady Bird Wildflower Center gave me the pictures free of charge, Try paying for them?
Permission granted.
Regards.
Neil.
ps The states you mention have the Herbarium pictures available from Steve leonard. As does the USA Forestry, have pictures from Steve Leonard as well.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:22 PM CST
Name: Sheila Caldon
Aiken, SC (Zone 8a)
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Good gracious, Asa, you could write a book with all that info! Thing is, in order to do that I'd have to nab the photo and unless it wasn't copyrighted I couldn't bring myself to do that and I don't really want to know that badly because I'm also running out of room on my laptop for my own photos. But, what I did find out was that it was on auto....and it was really cold in zone 9a!!! All 50 states had freezing temps yesterday. That was so odd.

What I'll do when I shoot a group of photos is view them on the camera and with each one I'll zoom in on them and see if they're in focus on the LCD screen. The main thing I really dislike with the Nikon L820 I'm using is that the sharpness of the close-ups is not as good as it could be. Or, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I had to send it in to get repaired right before the warranty was up. The shutter button was taking 3-4 tries before it would focus and while it doesn't mess up anymore there's no fixing the megapixels---it is what it is.

With my various photos, what I was wanting to show was the critical process that goes into selecting the better ones. Sometimes it's just a matter of how I decide to crop them that could make the difference between a keeper and a deleted one. Other times it's a tweak of the exposure, maybe bringing the shadows in a little more, or, bumping the highlights up and sometimes it's both. If I want (or need) to manipulate the balance all over I'll use the histogram, which is a great tool for introducing more shadows or highlights to the foreground as well as the background instead of just darkening or lightening the photo using the exposure tools. By slightly manipulating the key elements of the interplay between light and shadow on my subject, whatever it may be, I can produce varying degrees of balance between the two. Sometimes it's quite dramatic to drastically darken the shadows of the background leaving highlights on only the subject. You can take that technique too far, though, and end up with a lifeless photo. Done right it makes for a very dynamic, often mysterious effect. Just make sure you have the point of interest in focus.

I think the most important thing I've learned is when to just ditch a hopeless photo, or, even those that are only mediocre. I usually do that "before" I download them as they don't take up needless space on my hard drive. Not only that, but, the more mediocre ones I hold onto, the lower my standards will begin to fall. I used to tell myself, "Well, it's not so bad" when what I should have been saying was, "It's not very good!" Thumbs down

I shot a photo of some lichen on two pieces of chopped wood that I think came out better than the previous ones. I think the leaves around them frame the photo and since all the leaves are in focus, I think it's just the nature of the lichen to look fuzzy. To me anyway. They don't look that clear. I should mention that medication I take usually gives me blurry vision by late afternoon, so, I try to do my shooting before noon as often as I can. What's an old person to do?!! Confused


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Then I was debating which of these Riverbirch photos were worth keeping. The first one is small and kinda swallowed up by the beautiful background of fall colors in the leaves. I might try to crop it differently.


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Then I tried zooming in on it, but, it seems a bit out of focus to me....but, then again, it might be my eyesight.... I'd like to hear what others think because I really don't know.


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Next I chose a skinnier one and placed it between two Pompas Grass which were somewhat blurry in the background. In one way it helps as the tree trunk's not stuck in the photo by itself as there's a sense of balance, but, the grasses are of different form and texture and I'm not sure it works, also, the secondary grasses may be distracting the eye too much. This is not that easy. The way the tree is leaning it naturally cuts across the frame from left to right and I didn't want to place it right in the middle by itself, although, this might be one of those times to do that. I've got a couple others I shot trying to find the right position in the photo to show off the peeling bark. I'd love feedback from everyone about what you think some solutions might be. Don't hold back in your critique of them because it helps me tremendously! Thanks!


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Beauty pleases, not only the eyes, but the heart as well. ~~Sheila
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Nov 20, 2014 1:05 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Neil, that makes me feel a little better. That's great that you have the permission you need.

Will you answer the second, more important part of my query, please? http://garden.org/thread/view_...
This is what Public Domain means:
http://creativecommons.org/pub...
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Nov 20, 2014 1:51 AM CST
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@Leftwood, he has the license listed this way: License: Creative Commons (cc-by-nc-3.0) (Attribution, NonCommercial)
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Nov 20, 2014 2:16 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Thanks, Neil, for changing that. Smiling
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Nov 20, 2014 2:29 AM CST
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Nov 20, 2014 5:53 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Asa
Wasatch Front - Utah
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Here's an interesting one for depth of focus. I was also messing with some intentional artifacting on the lens face (into the sun with no hood):
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This one is from the same hike still playing around with a very, very narrow focus depth:
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Nov 20, 2014 8:05 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Asa
Wasatch Front - Utah
Bee Lover Garden Photography Region: Utah Photo Contest Winner: 2016 Photo Contest Winner 2019 Photo Contest Winner 2021
Garden Ideas: Master Level
Sheila, as far as I'm concerned, I think you've really stepped in it here ;)...
Big Grin Green Grin! nodding
The photography forum is just SCREAMING for two threads that you'd be perfect to start:

1) Composition Basics (you've got a really good eye and some excellent ideas, imo)
and
2) Photo Editing Basics (the digital darkroom)

I cannot, by fiat, make assignments around here, but wow those two threads would be really useful in that nascent forum. And I think you'd do a great job laying out their frameworks.
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Nov 20, 2014 9:31 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
As to the circle of life, allow me to be the first to show a fairly complete one:

Phemeranthus parviflorus
Seed and Seedlings

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Mature plant
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Flower, inflorescence structure and mature seed capsules
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Fall and winter
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Nov 20, 2014 11:38 AM CST
Name: Sheila Caldon
Aiken, SC (Zone 8a)
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Region: South Carolina Dog Lover Plant and/or Seed Trader Pollen collector Birds Lilies
That says it all, Rick!
Beauty pleases, not only the eyes, but the heart as well. ~~Sheila
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Nov 20, 2014 11:40 AM CST
Name: Sheila Caldon
Aiken, SC (Zone 8a)
Dragonflies Bookworm Hybridizer Garden Photography Daylilies Butterflies
Region: South Carolina Dog Lover Plant and/or Seed Trader Pollen collector Birds Lilies
Asa, well, I was just posting with the idea of what's of interest this time of year. What are you implying I stepped in?
Beauty pleases, not only the eyes, but the heart as well. ~~Sheila
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Nov 20, 2014 11:47 AM CST
Name: Sheila Caldon
Aiken, SC (Zone 8a)
Dragonflies Bookworm Hybridizer Garden Photography Daylilies Butterflies
Region: South Carolina Dog Lover Plant and/or Seed Trader Pollen collector Birds Lilies
I suppose, though, that I could start another thread so as not to bog this one down. I didn't mean to be tedious, just wanted to contribute to the idea of taking our best photos no matter what we're photographing. I suppose I have a different approach and will thoughtfully consider starting another thread.

Thanks for your suggestion.
Beauty pleases, not only the eyes, but the heart as well. ~~Sheila
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Nov 20, 2014 1:39 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Asa
Wasatch Front - Utah
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SheilaC said:Asa, well, I was just posting with the idea of what's of interest this time of year. What are you implying I stepped in?


I said that with my tongue in my cheek. Those two things are subjects that you seem interested in and know a lot about. They're also screaming voids in the Photo forum which I think you'd be a natural to fill. Only saying you stepped in it because I so kindly/rudely volunteered you as a prospect ;).

I like your stuff in this thread. It's interesting and well thought out. I've just spent so much time thinking about the photography forum and what it needs...and was hoping to quasi-conscript you into sharing what's in your head there, too.
This is fun: The thread "Asa's former lawn...or (better) Dirt's current gardens" in Garden Photos forum

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Nov 20, 2014 1:57 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Asa
Wasatch Front - Utah
Bee Lover Garden Photography Region: Utah Photo Contest Winner: 2016 Photo Contest Winner 2019 Photo Contest Winner 2021
Garden Ideas: Master Level
Leftwood said:As to the circle of life, allow me to be the first to show a fairly complete one:


Rick, that post is a grand slam in my opinion. That's just absolutely cool!
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Nov 20, 2014 2:23 PM CST
Name: Sheila Caldon
Aiken, SC (Zone 8a)
Dragonflies Bookworm Hybridizer Garden Photography Daylilies Butterflies
Region: South Carolina Dog Lover Plant and/or Seed Trader Pollen collector Birds Lilies
Thank you, Asa, for clearing that up. I've given it some thought as well and will put together an outline and present it to Dave and go from there. I may be talking to myself on another thread, but, oh well, I do that anyway...that's how I get good advice!! Big Grin
Beauty pleases, not only the eyes, but the heart as well. ~~Sheila
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Nov 20, 2014 5:51 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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Either Gandalf or Belgareth said he usually talked to himself because the most intelligent person in the room had the best conversation.

I think it's fine as long as you don't start too many arguments with yourself.
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Nov 20, 2014 6:09 PM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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I really found your photos appropo for this thread, Sheila. I took it as if Asa was complimenting your talent as a photographer. You have such a good eye for composition. The photography forum could use someone like you and I don't think you'd be talking to yourself at all Smiling
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Nov 20, 2014 8:25 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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An old photo of an onion taken last Jan 2013 after I found it in our compost bin:
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Nov 21, 2014 4:51 AM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
Bee Lover Garden Photography Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Region: United States of America
Region: Indiana Garden Art Annuals Clematis Cottage Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 2
Good one, Tarev!
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