Ursula, those wide leaves are definitely Oriental looking... just as you said the whole time. So I guess the ID remains a mystery at least for now.
But I certainly enjoyed the conversation and after all that is certainly at least half the pleasure of a great forum such as this.

Yes, Lorn, rabbits are currently desperate for food. No fresh grass available, so they attack my plants. They ate 3 large mums last week.

I am living in the middle of the wild - guess I invaded their territory. These pictures are my surrounding (from left to right) from the terrace in front of my cabin:

The pots on the bottom of this picture, contained Adenophoras. Bunnies not only ate the plants, but the roots as well.






This is the Acacia caven that provides light shade (it stays leafless throughout sumer)


At the bottom left, my beautiful native Cassia that died due to the lack of water


This Acacia caven on the lower half of the picture has parasites growing on it.

You are right, Lorn. As son as I can get a worker I will have him build raised beds for my Liliums from some old timber I have and enclose them in chicken wire. Later on, I want raised beds build from either stone/rocks that abound here, or something like that (long lasting).

Although both of my cats are good hunters, nights are getting cold and I want them to stay inside.

I never thought of rabbits as vectors for diseases - thought these came only from aphids

Oh no, William: my old brain had already accepted the change I would like to hear Lorn's opinión as well, although his pictures of Robinia have large, narrow leaves.

I will check the links you provided. As with many other things, we have farmers that grow crops for the larger international (bulb) companies. This could be the case. There is very little Lilium offer available for us regular gardeners.

Down in the village, there is somebody that has 3 greenhouses, growing cut flower Liliums. I have not been able to visit, since every time I asked there was only a caretaker, who was not allowed to let people visit. I wonder if they do discard the bulbs as I know is done in other countries after cutting the stems. Maybe they are still good for scaling at least.....

William, I checked your links and they proved I am right: Dutch (or other foreign) bulb companies provide the knowledge and the seeds or scales to Chilean farmers under strict conditions: No bulb can be used/sold locally! Marketing and sales are made by the Dutch company, without any involvement from the Chilean party. I think the only reason they mention Chile, is to assure the customer in Europe that the crop has been recently dug (or is it digged?) for out of season sale/growing in the Norther Hemisphere.

When I obtained the OT and L. auratum bulbs from a lady in a nearby village, I tried to find out where she got them but I think she did not want to tell me the whole story. She just mentioned the family had bought an old estate (not the one where she was living) and that there were many Liliums in the garden. This can be true, because strict phytosanitary control must have started here some 30 years ago. It seems there was little or no control before that, so anybody travelling abroad before he 80's might have come back with plants, seeds, bulbs, etc. Things are quite different now an there is very strict control. Maybe this was the reason Dutch companies chose us to grow their crops (or vice versa). Until a few years ago, for some reason, if you acquired a plant either in northern Chile, or in the central area, and wanted to take it to the southern part of the country, this was only allowed if bareroot.

I am anxiously waiting for our experts' opinión about Robinia or non Robinia.

Ursula, I wouldn't mind betting that your mystery hybrids are living incognito to protect the truth of their escape from flower prisons - I mean 'farms'!

Della, except for the seeds I obtained years ago from Lisa and Rick, my bulbs were all legally acquired (pssst, don't tell anybody: I would not mind giving refuge to escapees)

Mutisia said:Della, except for the seeds I obtained years ago from Lisa and Rick, my bulbs were all legally acquired

Oh! Of course! Not to imply you were up to any nefarious doings...

(pssst, don't tell anybody: I would not mind giving refuge to escapees)

Won't tell a soul

Very interesting about the bulb farms, Ursula as I only know about lily bulbs being grown in Chile and had no knowledge about the background and the restrictions. Somewhere there is a lesson about the power big international companies have. No doubt they would hate to loose control over this very lucrative trade.

Della, I forgot to mention I also got seeds from Connie.

William, it seems to be the same as with technological goods: the big companies in the world supply the know-how, technology, etc. but TV sets, computers, refrigerators, etc. are assembled in China. However, China is not allowed to sell them, not even locally. Our production costs are probably lower than in Holland; this would compensate their higher transportation costs.

Ursula, I just stumbled onto this Dutch-Chilean bulb company http://www.sbchile.cl/index.ph... that claims to have "a subsidiary company which attends the local sales and sales in all other South American countries": http://www.sbtrading.cl/#Conta.... I assume this is just wholesale for cut flowers and not retail, but it seems that at least some Chilean bulbs finds their way back to Chilean soil? Although perhaps just to be exported yet again as a cut flower...

OMG, it seems I planted a bug on you!

Thanks for searching for Lily sources for me, William.

I have spent many, many hours looking for them, but have given up. I even contacted the companies, but never had a reply.

Maybe, one of these producers does sell bulbs to the two minor distributers I told yu about before, but not to public. If they were interested in selling to Gardeners, they would certainly picture their flowers and have implemented an on-line purchasing system.

BTW, the company of the link is situated in the neighbourhood of volcano Calbuco, the one that has erupted recently, producing a lot of damage with the debris spitted out.