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Jun 3, 2015 9:35 AM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Okay! I came on here to post photos and got sidetracked. But now I'm back. My male Orange-Barred Sulphur did indeed come out last night and spent the night in the bathroom. I brought him outside pretty early this morning so I got to take some photos as it wasn't hot enough for him to fly too far. He even posed with me for a few seconds. You can really see the orange bar on the top wings and the little bit of orange on the bottom. He eventually settled on the firebush (more on that later).

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Then, I went outside to fetch food and clean everyone up a bit. Here's my Black Swallowtail container before I cleaned it. You can see my one big guy with his posse of little guys. There's even an egg in there.

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I think my Spicebush is going to molt and is thinking of turning green. Like I was telling Meredith earlier, you can kind of see the secondary eyespots forming under his skin.

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Next up is a lot of shots of my Tersa Sphinx Moth. Like I said, almost as cute as a Spicebush, but not as colorful. At this point, they normally keep their head tucked in unless they are eating or looking for food like you can see him doing on my hand in the one photo. You can see why these eyespots would scare a person who was harmlessly weeding around her Pentas. Yeah, I totally had one do that to me before. I laughed about it afterward. These guys come in green and brown and I've had both so I'm not sure what makes them pick a color. Also, you can see why I was confused when I found it so young and it didn't have all the eyespots I'm used to seeing. But that horn on the back gives them away every time!

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I had to relocate some Gulf Frit cats again. They would have starved to death because they had nearly devoured my tiny Passiflora lutea plants. I have some old tomato cages I think I might put around them. That would make it slightly harder for the butterflies to lay eggs, I guess.

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Zebra Longwings love firebush. It's one of their favorites.

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I was in the backyard and saw a Zebra Longwing doing that butterfly fight with some kind of Swallowtail but I couldn't get a good enough look to see which one it was. Possibly a Giant ST. Anyway, I came back inside and then went out front because I wanted better lighting to take some more caterpillar photos. And everyone suddenly decided to show up, including this Black ST. This is a female so I'm blaming her for being the shameless hussy whose children I'm raising. Rolling on the floor laughing Remember folks, you can tell the Black ST by the "bullseye" on the lower wing - that's the reddish-orange dot with the black dot inside it. No black dot inside it, not a Black ST.

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So the caterpillars I wanted to photograph were the Zebra Longwings. Remember I said they start out kind of orange before they turn white? Well, here they are a pale orange but they get this sort of silvery look to them that's hard to describe. Look at the lowest caterpillar in the first picture and you can kind of see what I mean. They'll probably turn pure white once they molt again. Also, I noticed their frass is much lighter since I'm feeding them Passiflora suberosa. I guess its leaves are more yellow-green.

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Then, a Long-Tailed Skipper came and was just basking. I love when they show off the turquoise on their wings!

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I had two Zebra Longwings flying around the firebush apparently fighting over territory. The Orange-Barred Sulphur just sat there through it all. You can see both the Zebra and the Sulphur in the second picture.

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And I suppose it isn't a party until a Gulf Fritillary shows up so here it is.

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Meanwhile, I'm back inside waiting for my Cloudless Sulphur to emerge. With all those dots, it looks like the more spotted summer form. Or are they more spotted in winter? Well anyway, this one has more spots than usual which kind of threw me until I went on the internet to compare. They're usually near spotless.

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Jun 3, 2015 11:06 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Beautiful photos Melanie! And quite a diverse "collection" too. I love the orange barred sulphur -- really pretty in that light. Okay I got my big jar & some sticks in it & some more BF bush ready to make the transfer. I will take photos when I take him/her out to transfer.

I am waiting on FedEx to deliver a very heavy, large area rug so might get interrupted.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 11:21 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Crappy photo but here we are. My camera isn't really good at close ups so this is it. I put the tape there so you could get size perspective - the big one is about 3/4" length. You can see the baby right on the tip end of the stem there in the left bottom corner. They are both safely ensconced in their big jar now. Melanie, any idea how many days before the big one does it's thing?

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I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 11:51 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
BTW, I meant to mention to you Melanie & anyone who lives where fire ants are. There's a sure fire fix to the bites. ASAP get either vinegar or ammonia -- regular household of either -- on the bites pronto. The quicker you get it on there the less effects you will have from the bite. This REALLY does work! This applies to wasp & bee stings as well (jelly fish too). I use this all the time. Hold a soaked paper towel or such on the bite or sting for a good 5 minutes. When I am doing something like trimming hedges where I sort of expect I might very well get stung then I take the bottle & a paper towel out there & keep it near me in order to get it on as quickly as possible. Today I wasn't thinking about fire ants so didn't have it handy & I was a ways from the house so didn't get it on as fast as I would have liked to. After you take the soaked paper towel off I always dab some Benadryl gel on just for insurance. IMHO ammonia works better & faster but be careful to only use it outside if you ever want to breathe again & never, ever get it near your eyes.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 12:13 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
That certainly looks like a Buckeye! They don't get too big but I would think you'd have a few more days before he makes his chrysalis. But caterpillars have a mind of their own and since they don't exactly have large brains - who knows? It seems to me that the ones I've raised at the museum got to at least an inch long, though. I'm not very good at guessing measurements but it seems like they were at least an inch. Still think that it's weird that it's eating Butterfly Bush.
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Jun 3, 2015 2:31 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
My camera didn't pick up the markings on him but I can see them even down to the spots on it's face & there's no doubt in my mind. The Buckeyes were all over that BF bush too. Both of them are eating it - voraciously! They sure have big appetites. Hilarious! I have them sitting here on my desk so I can watch them.
The butterfly bushes I have are the sterile ones but still I dead head them just in case. If not for that I probably never would have noticed this guy. I just looked up photos of the chrysalis so I will know it when I see it.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 2:36 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Hummmmmm, look what I just found. Scroll not quite 1/2 way down the page & in the center photo it shows a buckeye cat eating butterfly bush.
http://www.butterflyfunfacts.c...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 5:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I knew it ate a lot of things, but that's a new one on me. I forgot they use Twinflower. I dug up some from my neighbor's yard years ago and planted it right up front to try to get it to spread like a groundcover. I also have Carolina Petunias and my (other) neighbor has Firecracker Fern. But I don't see Buckeyes too often. I've never found a caterpillar before, but I'll keep searching! Congrats on yours, Ann! Thumbs up
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Jun 3, 2015 5:48 PM CST
Name: Christine
North East Texas (Zone 7b)
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Sure enough Ann! Thumbs up
May your life be like a wildflower, growing freely in the beauty and joy of each day --Native American Proverb

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Jun 3, 2015 6:00 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Thanks Melanie!
I don't have any ruellia, no twinflower, the toadflax has gone dormant now, no snapdragons, haven't found any twinflower lately, no russelia, and the plaintain might have gone dormant by now as it was all over the place a couple months ago but I didn't find any today -- will keep looking. So, I will see if the butterfly bush sustains them.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 6:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
You mean no one in your area grows those awful Mexican Petunias? Hilarious! I can't drive anywhere without seeing those stupid invasives.
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Jun 3, 2015 7:44 PM CST
Name: Meredith
Atlanta (Zone 8a)
Butterflies Region: Georgia Hummingbirder Seed Starter
Great series Melanie! Congrats on your Buckeye cat Ann!
I love butterfly gardening & am active in NABA. Please visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/group... & website nabageorgia.weebly.com.
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Jun 3, 2015 8:04 PM CST
Name: Danita
GA (Zone 7b)
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Lovely photos, everyone! Lovey dubby

(p.s. thanks for the earlier well wishes. Smiling )
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Jun 3, 2015 8:58 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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mellielong said:You mean no one in your area grows those awful Mexican Petunias? Hilarious! I can't drive anywhere without seeing those stupid invasives.


Nope, I haven't seen a one since moving up here. Down south they're allllllll over the place though. I would like to get some porterweed but ONLY the native kind. And there is so much confusion about which is native that I can't trust anywhere to know. The only way I can be assured is to order from Native Plant Nurseries -- I think that's the name of our mail order place here in FL right Melanie? I have it on a bookmark so I can find it regardless. Waiting for fall to place an order. I have found that here, especially with not being able to get the water hose to lots of places I have to plant in the fall or plants will never survive their 1st summer. I can carry things in pots until fall but I'm pretty full up with the pot ghetto until I can clear those out by planting in fall. Heck, I only have a few empty pots left I can even put anything in. Hilarious!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 3, 2015 9:55 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
I order from www.mailordernatives.com but I don't think I've ever seen them carry porterweed. Maybe because there is so much confusion. I was doing some reading about it last week and I think even I have the hybrid kind. Apparently, our native one mixes with the non-native one and create something in the middle. Mine has attributes of both. I know I once definitely had the invasive kind because the flowers were much darker (purple, not blue) and they got well over 6 feet tall. I've never seen one in the wild so I feel like I'm not even sure what the native ones look like. I'll have to see if the Florida Native Plant Society is selling them at the next USF plant sale. But one of the things I read was on their website where they were trying to teach all the chapters which one was the native kind because some of the chapters had been selling the non-native kind! It's enough to make you crazy! Well, crazier. Hilarious!

And yes, definitely plant in the fall. It's too hot for people in the summer, let alone people dragging hoses around! That's a big reason I don't do container gardening. Who wants to water every day? And I hate to say it, but I'm kind of glad Impatiens are getting that disease that's killing them. They require way too much water to look decent - even when you plant them in the shade!
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Jun 4, 2015 9:07 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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I'm loving everyone's butterfly photos! It's weird but I haven't seen a lot of butterflies this year ... last year there were tons of different types. We've had a few Monarch's around this year, one got trapped on the screened porch last week and I took a tissue and gently scooped it from the screen and released it out the door where it immediately flew to some flowers and began feeding. It was the largest Monarch I've ever seen and I wish I'd gotten a picture.

I've seen a couple of Swallowtails and White Peacock's lately and lots of the tiny Cassius Blues and Tawny Edged Skippers have been all over the Beach Sunflowers (Helianthus debilis).
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~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
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Jun 4, 2015 10:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Lin, your butterfly photos are as awesome as your bird photos. I applaud you! Hurray!

I have a few of my own to share. Let's see, when I left off I was waiting for my only Cloudless Sulphur this year to emerge. And it did! I posed her on my finger and then put her on the porterweed.

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This morning, I woke to a female Orange-Barred Sulphur waiting to be let out. I managed to roll out of bed and get moving. She stayed on my finger for about a second before flying over to rest on one of my bromeliads. But I think it was too hot even for her in the full sun because she then flew over to the Jatropha and rested under a leaf. When the butterflies need shade, you know it's hot. Rolling on the floor laughing

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My Tersa is eating so much! But then, you have to think how much Tobacco Hornworms eat and this guy is basically a Penta Hornworm (I just invented that). So he eats a lot. What's weird is he doesn't poop very much so I think he's really retaining that energy. But look how big that frass is! For those of you who compost, I hope you're adding frass to your mix.

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While I was picking Penta leaves, I scared up a Long-Tailed Skipper. It decided to bask on a bromeliad, too!

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And while picking Rue for my hungry Black ST cats, I found another one! FYI, Mom is going to the store after "Days of Our Lives" and she's going to pick up some organic parsley to help feed all these critters.

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Jun 4, 2015 10:46 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Melanie, I think your photos are awesome and it would be so much fun ... and very educational to visit your garden! I had Cloudless Sulphur's around earlier in the spring. On May 10th I got this one (not great) photo of what I thought might be a Dainty Sulphur but I'm not really sure:
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~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Jun 4, 2015 11:59 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Thanks, Lin! And that is indeed a Dainty Sulphur. Very small and very fast and hard to capture with the camera! They use Spanish Needles as a host plant which is another good reason to leave some growing in a weedy area if you can.

Mom's mad because her soap was preempted by the French Open. So she's off to the grocery store already to get that Parsley (among other things). I isolated the one big Black ST cat I have in his own container because I didn't want him bothering the little guys or getting the container too messy with his relatively large frass. I managed to move him without getting smeared by his osmeterium which is a small miracle. But my hands still stink of Rue even though I've washed them like three times already. Rolling my eyes.
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Jun 4, 2015 12:08 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Beautiful photos Lin!

Boy, you're having a lot of sulphurs this year Melanie. That's something we seem to be weak on here this year is the sulphurs. Usually there are a good many of them but this year so far there have been few. I hope they get going!

I found another Buckeye cat on that butterfly bush when I was getting more food for the 2 I have jarred. I left this latest one to grow up on it's own.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown

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