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Aug 22, 2015 12:55 PM CST
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Rebloom is rare here too, so to have 15 reblooming for me so far this summer, is exceptional.
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Aug 22, 2015 1:09 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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Just found an instant rebloom scape on my Olallie Butterscotch Harvest! This is its first year blooming for me.
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Aug 22, 2015 3:03 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Cindy - You've been on a roll with the reblooms this season! Congrats! You would think that I would get some more reblooms since I live in Florida. I had one seedling rebloom today .... out of the blue which I never expected. Or maybe it was it's first bloom and it is a late bloomer. I will have to check later!

I had my micro-sprinklers on and the bloom got sprayed. This is an unknown parents seedling:
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Aug 22, 2015 3:04 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Oops! Wrong thread .... I don't live up North! Sticking tongue out *Blush* *Blush*
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Aug 22, 2015 3:26 PM CST
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hilarious!
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Aug 22, 2015 5:13 PM CST
Name: Ed Burton
East Central Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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Re-bloom, NE Wisconsin

None of the registered, a few seedlings, never the same ones year to year.
Re-bloom is very rare here.
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Aug 22, 2015 9:25 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I have to update my list slightly, here are the rebloomers in my zone 5b/6a garden this year:




Thanks Two Friends was pretty exciting because it sent up two instant rebloom scapes (I only purchased two fans with two scapes to start with a month ago), and both have about 6-7 buds each (so far most rebloom scapes have just a few buds)

Olallie Keith Stone's Sunset was my first or second rebloomer this year. It's first bloom appeared on 7/4 and it's last (instant) rebloom ended around a week ago. Very prolific...I purchased two fans at the beginning of the season and it grew to about 8 fans PLUS made a pod out of nearly everything I put on it!

Peggy Jeffcoat threw a single rebloom scape with a single bud on a 2-3" scape. It was pretty pathetic, lol, but hey, it counts! She's still in a pot right now, so it might've been better if she were planted in the ground. I'll see what happens next year.
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Aug 23, 2015 5:01 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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Becky, I am not up North either but I have been lurking on this thread. If they rebloom for them they REALLY should for me in KY. Southern Living mag calls KY the Upper South. So many of mine don't bloom as well as I hoped.
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Aug 23, 2015 5:54 AM CST
Name: Heidi
CT (Zone 6a)
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Here in CT, my only re-bloomer this year (now that I am paying attention) was/is my Early Bird Cardinal. I purchased this plant last year and it has been a very nice producer of flowers.
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Aug 23, 2015 6:07 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Libby - Nice rebloomers! Geez ... most of mine should be reblooming living here in the deep south ...... none really have unless they were early rebloomers. Must be the size and the newly transplant state they are in.
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Aug 23, 2015 6:41 AM CST
Name: David McCausland
Horseheads, NY (Zone 5a)
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Here are the rebloomers so far in my Zone 5 Upstate NY garden:

Wisest of Wizards (has never rebloomed before)
Mask of Eternity (always reblooms)
Scintillation
Ruby Storm
Dragon Fang
Webster's Pink Wonder
Baracuda Bay

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Aug 23, 2015 6:45 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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David do you have bloom now on WPW?
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Aug 23, 2015 6:51 AM CST

As previously mentioned, 'Jersey Early Bird Cardinal' is the marketing name of 'Endless Heart' (The AHS registered name), an introduction from the breeding/propagation partnership (At that time) of D. Apps & Blew Nursery. This is a cultivar that has been patented (One of several selected cultivars) to control wholesale propagation & distribution for Blew Line Nursery (Also Centreton Nursery).

The most recent JEB intro is 'Jersey Early Bird Oriole' (Orange blooms) which it seems is registered as 'Centerton One' with the AHS & is also patented (PP24129?)

There are expected to be other daylily cultivars introduced in this manner (Two different names) over the coming years as well - probably as yellows, whites, etc.. Mass marketing is now the norm for most popular plants, as is patenting for control of the better performers in their categories (ie - lilacs; flowering shrubs; ornamental trees; specific perennials; etc. .... Some 'Boutique Nurseries' & local retailers will, of course, continue to offer these as well as the other 80,000 (almost) registered varieties.

I put forth this explanation to minimize some confusion .... For the typical gardener, it matters not if the plant they purchased & grow is called 'Jersey Early Bird Cardinal' or 'Endless Heart'. However, the majority of readers & participants of the ATP forum & Database tend to want to be a bit more informed, aware & accurate with their records & garden tags etc.

There exists a considerable amount of information on the Internet about any of the names given here. Both JEBC & JEBO have had quite extensive marketing promotions in their year of release to the marketplace. ... Not to be confused with the dates of AHS registration - The nursery needs a few years to develop inventories before presenting their newest cultivars to their retail customers & thus ultimately to the gardeners and daylily collectors & breeders of North America.
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Aug 23, 2015 6:56 AM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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@Wildbirds I gave you an acorn for the information, but I hope the marketing ploy is a failure. I fall in the one plant, one name line of thought Smiling .
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Aug 23, 2015 7:04 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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Wildbirds, welcome to posting on the Daylily forum. I must have miss you before. I think it is a practice of some big business to rename plants. A practice I frown on. So many just don't care what plant they have. I went yesterday to a nursery that has a nice collection of coneflowers but non had tags Angry

I did buy the tall white one which I am guessing is White Swan.
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Aug 23, 2015 7:39 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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@Wildbirds - So what exactly does that mean to us home gardeners? We can't divide and sell any of our extra fans as our clump gets bigger? We can't use them in hybridizing?

And what about those gardeners who bought this plant when it was named, "Endless Heart' BEFORE it was patented? Are they under the same restrictions?

I can't get over a company patenting a daylily. Seems ridiculous to me!
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Aug 23, 2015 8:26 AM CST
Name: Heidi
CT (Zone 6a)
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So I guess that I am a little confused here.

Here is the label from the "Earlybird Cardinal" that I have. It does have a TM and a patent #. What does this really mean then?

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Aug 23, 2015 10:50 AM CST
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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I never had a DL reblooming, and all the DLs I have are marked as rebloomer. But I have to say I saw very few blooms in two years (this being the second) so I really don't know if it's just a matter of time or they aren't getting the right growing conditions.
I bought the very first DL on ebay, planted in spring 2014 and it never grew. Who knows.
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Aug 23, 2015 11:10 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Sabrina - Some daylilies do take some time to settle in and start growing. Some take off the minute their roots hit the soil. I think most go into transplant shock for at least a month after being planted.

I have a mix of daylilies and all of my registered ones are currently in pots. Some have been in those posts almost a year because I am in the process of creating a new large raised bed. Some of those in pots are doing great, recovered from the transplanting quickly and even bloomed after I got them. Others are still sulking a year later. Every cultivar is different in how they respond to their transplant conditions. And they also respond to their growing environment. So if your soil is being improved (as it sounds like you are doing), you should see some success next year for sure. Sorry it wasn't sooner like THIS year. Sad
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Aug 23, 2015 10:14 PM CST

It appears that some of the explanations outlined earlier regarding JEBC and Endless Heart and patents etc. have created some discontent, and perhaps some confusion. I will try to explain and clarify with the next few paragraphs ....

Perhaps it is being trite to say ,'Welcome to the modern world' ... but just as our daylilies have evolved in form and performance and colours and patterns over the decades, so too has the environment in which daylilies are propagated, distributed and sold. There exists still, direct sales from breeders and hybridizers, as there are still 'boutique' nurseries that propagate and grow and retail daylilies to enthusiasts like ourselves. However, the majority of plants are sold to 'average gardeners' and to those who are not really gardeners, but who want to simply decorate their yards and driveways and patios.

None of this - the selling aspect itself - is likely to change within the next few decades. 'Big-Box' stores; national - even international - mail-order operations (Catalogue & Internet), and huge retail nursery locations are also part of our gardening experience nowadays. Keep uppermost in mind that for the customer buying the daylily, the transaction is essentially the same for any of the above. You select the plant you want. You pay for that plant. You take it with you and you plant it to enjoy it (Or breed with it). We daylily enthusiasts are usually independent and resourceful and know how to find and where to research new introductions; sources for older cultivars, etc.

Not so for the average gardener who buys somewhat differently. Usually depending on visual appeal and written description at point of sale (Or website/catalogue) ..... Therefore, forgetting about the 'serious' daylily collector and/or breeder, (Ourselves!) for that average gardener or yard decorator the plant has to be on site, have an appealing appearance (In bloom; in a pot; colourful info/ID tag attached; etc.) to encourage them to complete the purchase. Thus tens of thousands of plants - potted & bare-root - have to be available each spring for these retailers across North America. Over the most recent few decades, the scale of our daylily trade, the scale of daylily marketplace, has evolved dramatically.

However, for us enthusiasts, with the exception of Internet auctions and sales, not much has changed .... Not much is likely to change - if we don't want it to.. Consequently, we can pretty well ignore 'renaming + patenting + trademarks + etc.' and it won't really affect most of what we do in our pursuits of daylily collecting, breeding and simply enjoying.

I will get back to this thread another time to expand upon these latter terms for those who do want to have a more complete understanding and perspective.

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