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Mar 9, 2016 11:44 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I have two propane heaters as the ultimate, last-resort heaters. I have never had to use them..............knock on wood. Whistling
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The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 9, 2016 2:37 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Probably goes without saying, but... just make sure propane heaters are either properly vented or are a "ventless" type. (Don't want to lose any of our gardeners to carbon monoxide poisoning!) Smiling
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Mar 9, 2016 5:46 PM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
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Indeed!
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Mar 10, 2016 12:38 AM CST
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Name: Lucky
Sacramento CA (Zone 9b)
Plumerias
Mr. Heater has a ventless one but that's probably over kill.
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Mar 12, 2016 5:08 AM CST
North Central Louisiana (Zone 8a)
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I use Southern Burner Heaters, they are in Oklahoma, google for. Website. These are natural gas or propane. Expensive, but mine are about 18 years old and flawless. They do not require electricity to operate and when others have lost plants, mine have been great. Mine are vented. I cannot say enough in their favor.
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Mar 26, 2016 5:58 AM CST
Name: Cindy Parsons
Tioga County PA (Zone 5b)
Greenhouse
We use a forced hot air heater fueled by an outside woodburner at one end of the greenhouse. At the other end we have an oil filled radiator type electric heater with a thermostat. Our greenhouse is 40' long. We keep it at an average of 60 degrees at night.
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Mar 26, 2016 7:19 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Welcome! @cparsOns. Your greenhouse is huge compared to my two. My heat is all electric, now 240V forced-air heaters in each. I too keep my greenhouses @ 60F minimum.
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Mar 26, 2016 9:21 AM CST
Name: Cindy Parsons
Tioga County PA (Zone 5b)
Greenhouse
Ours is 13x40. We just love it. It is a lot of work though as I am growing to sell at our local market. I enjoy it. :)
I found this forum because right now I am battling slugs on my coleus and aphids on my mandevilla.
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Mar 26, 2016 9:24 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Thumbs up Good luck with the pests. It's a never-ending battle. Sighing!
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The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 26, 2016 10:51 AM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
Only dead fish go with the flow!
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Hi Cindy and welcome! Get some Diatomaceous Earth, DE - totally inorganic - you'll also need one of those pump dusters but that will take care of the slugs. Put some down at the base of the plants and some on the top and bottoms of leaves. Good for greenhouse insect control but not a good idea outside because it will kill good insects as well ... DE is tiny shards of diatom shells and for insects and slugs it's like walking over broken glass. For the aphids, I take a small stiff paintbrush, dip it in insecticide and brush them off the plants. Here in my zone 8 I have a whole colony of anoles living in the greenhouse and they do a pretty good job of insect control for me.
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Mar 27, 2016 10:43 AM CST
Name: Cindy Parsons
Tioga County PA (Zone 5b)
Greenhouse
Thank you so much! The paintbrush sounds like a great idea! I use the DE in my chicken coop but never even thought about it for the greenhouse. I tried the beer trap for the slugs last night but I didn't catch any. Thumbs down
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Mar 27, 2022 9:26 AM CST
Name: Van Hartman
Savoy, Illinois (Zone 5b)
What temp setting do you set your milk house heater when connected to portable thermostat?
Xeramtheum said: How big is your greenhouse? I use the force fan milkhouse electric heaters with a portable thermostat and have a box fan up high to circulate the air and heat. My GH is 8 x 16 and one heater does the job though I'll put two in there when the temps will get into the 20's outside for more than 2 or 3 hours. They system adds generally about 50 dollars to my electric bill every month. The picture shows 2 heaters, one high and one low.

Here is a link to the portable thermostats I use

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Mar 27, 2022 10:25 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Welcome!

I was reading all that thinking how did this long long thread get here without me noticing. Then I noticed the date. Exactly 6 years ago today! Rolling on the floor laughing

The temperature setting depends upon what you are growing. My greenhouse temperature is set at 60 because I grow orchids. My daughter's is set at 35 because she grows citrus trees. I could set the thermostat at 55 (and daughter at 30) but the heaters don't keep a constant temperature the way your house heater does. A little built in safety net.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Mar 27, 2022 11:50 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Yep, Daisy, my three greenhouses back in Mississippi were also kept at 60 F because of my extensive collection of orchids. Before I moved to Florida, I had over 200 varieties and over 500 orchid plants. I grew a lot of other tropicals too, but orchids determined the thermostat setting. Now I just have a shadehouse, a smallish 12x20' one, and I only have a couple hundred orchids. I'm doing more with plumeria now than with orchids.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 27, 2022 12:16 PM CST
Name: Van Hartman
Savoy, Illinois (Zone 5b)
I'm getting a head start on some early tomatoes which I want to keep the temperature in the 70-80° range. Once I get my new portable thermostat I will set it at that range but need to find out what I should set the milk house heater dial to that's going to be plugged into the thermostat. I was thinking not all the way up but somewhere in between. The thermostat that's built into the heater is all over the place in temperature which is why I ordered a external one.
DaisyI said: Welcome!

I was reading all that thinking how did this long long thread get here without me noticing. Then I noticed the date. Exactly 6 years ago today! Rolling on the floor laughing

The temperature setting depends upon what you are growing. My greenhouse temperature is set at 60 because I grow orchids. My daughter's is set at 35 because she grows citrus trees. I could set the thermostat at 55 (and daughter at 30) but the heaters don't keep a constant temperature the way your house heater does. A little built in safety net.
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Mar 27, 2022 12:46 PM CST
Name: sumire
Reno, Nevada (Zone 6a)
For my current milk can heater I just use its built in control. The stuff I am growing isn't fussy enough to bother with an external thermostat. With the external thermostat, you need to have your heater on the "high" setting for energy and the dial turned all the way as warm as it will go. Otherwise at 70-80F your heater's internal thermostat will interfere with the functioning of the external one.

You might consider getting the greenhouse to 60F and then put heat mats under your tomato trays. Until they are a few inches tall, they are much more concerned with soil temperature than room temperature.
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Mar 27, 2022 12:49 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I agree. I had 240V heaters and even with these expensive, powerful heaters, I never trusted their internal thermostats. Set the temperature higher than you ever want it and the thermostat will control the temperature to a .5 F. I loved my remote thermostats.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 27, 2022 12:58 PM CST
Name: Van Hartman
Savoy, Illinois (Zone 5b)
Thanks for the great tips! I'm so glad I found this group.
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Mar 27, 2022 1:13 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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Have fun with your greenhouse!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
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Mar 27, 2022 2:07 PM CST
Name: Chip
Medicine Bow Range, Wyoming (Zone 3a)
Winter here can be extremely cold (-35°F) with sunny days. So I designed a collection system with a salvaged flat-plate water heater on a loop charged with 50% glycol antifreeze. The small PV panel drives a DC pump to circulate the loop.

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There' a 400 gal. heatsink under the floor, with coils of PEX tubing carrying the heated glycol solution through plain water. An AC pump circulates the warm water through the floor, which is the main thermal mass.

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Besides the dark pavers and black pots, there are four 75 gal. plastic tanks on the south-facing wall, passive heatsinks.

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I took apart electric quartz radiant patio heaters and mounted four elements on the ceiling, wired to a hanging thermostat. They warm the foliage even when the air temp is quite cool (often around 40°F).

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When it gets down to -20°F or so, I add a small milkhouse heater, with a small propane catalytic heater as backup, in case the power goes off.

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The foundation and floor are insulated. The roof is 6-wall poly (R 3.8) and the sides are 3-wall. When it dropped to -40°F, I lost a few plants to cold air leaks, but have grown tomatoes year-round since 2009.
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