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Jul 27, 2018 9:23 AM CST
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I am in the process of building a Disappearing Water Fountain in my front yard flower bed. I decided to use a preformed 50 gallon plastic pond insert from Lowes. I dug the hole and set the insert into it and then back filled with dirt and gravel. I then laid a pond liner sheet over the insert, then cut a hole around the inside perimeter leaving about a four or five inch overhang. I then cut off the outside perimeter, about a foot or more all around it. Next thing was to build a cement border that would hold a plastic drum grate on which to set the rock fountain. After it was all set up with the water in the pond and the pump hooked up to the rocks (three of them) I tested it out. Everything ran well. I then added small pebbles and rocks around the base of the larger fountain rocks and let it run all night.
When I awoke in the morning, I found that the pond had run dry enough that the pump was sucking air. Upon deeper investigation, I found that the water had seeped around and underneath the pond insert, causing the pond insert to buckle up in the middle and on the sides.
I removed the concrete border, plastic pond insert and basically excavated the whole area. My new plan is to put in an actual disappearing fountain basin that is 44" X 44". It will be slightly elevated from the rest of the flower bed (maybe 4 or 5 inches). My biggest concern is that if not set up properly, I will end up with the same situation of water getting underneath the basin. I have considered laying pond liner sheeting around the perimeter of the basin (either on top or underneath) then sealing it with black foam insulation designed for rock wall sealing. Any suggestions or recommendations would be very helpful. The whole project has been put on hold due to the almost daily inundation of rain filling up the hole. The attached pics show what it looked like before I started, then laying in the insert, then the rocks (hypertufa rocks) and the grate without the rocks. I do have a short video of what the initial startup looked like.

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Jul 29, 2018 5:44 AM CST
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Welcome!

I don't have any experience with disappearing water fountains, but I know you have to get the "foundation" under the preformed insert just about perfect or you will have problems once you add all that water weight. I hope someone with more experience can offer help. Anyway, I just wanted to welcome you to the forums! Hurray!
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Aug 15, 2018 11:55 AM CST
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After what seemed like a month of heavy rains which repeatedly filled up the hole with muddy water, I finally got the situation under control. I filled up the dried out hole with gravel and soil/dirt, tamping it down each layer until it was compact and firm. I then proceeded to dig out a new square hole, then laid down the basin. Right now it is about 75% completed. All I have left to do is add lighting, plants and marble chips or river pebbles in the flower bed. The water fountain is doing great and there are no indicators that the ground will settle. So far, I am satisfied with my results.
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Aug 15, 2018 1:23 PM CST
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Aug 15, 2018 1:54 PM CST
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Looking very nice @bimfi122
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Aug 20, 2018 9:32 PM CST
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I think I am finished (for now) with this project. I may have added too many pebbles and or marble chips. Here are some pics both day and night.
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Aug 21, 2018 3:58 AM CST
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Aug 21, 2018 6:55 AM CST
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Sep 29, 2018 10:42 PM CST
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What would be your tip to someone who was considering it? What would you have done different the fist time to save the heartache? Was it just making sure your substrate was fitted to the shape/dimensions of the inlaid container?
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Oct 5, 2018 9:42 AM CST
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Turbosaurus said:What would be your tip to someone who was considering it? What would you have done different the fist time to save the heartache? Was it just making sure your substrate was fitted to the shape/dimensions of the inlaid container?


The important thing to remember is that whatever fountain one uses (be it a stone or fiberglass rock fountain, or a giant vase) ensure that the basin perimeter is large enough that the water stays inside of the basin and does not flow out and around it. That was my biggest downfall.

I went at it without fully knowing what I was doing, and this caused a lot of unnecessary work. By best tip would be to find someone that has done this before (either in person or online) and find out what they did right and what they did wrong, then go with what you've learned. I hope that this helps.
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