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Sep 10, 2018 11:37 PM CST
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Name: Virginia

I tried to correct the spelling for a rose ('Comtesse de Labarthe' not 'Comtesse de Labarathe'), but got an error message that that plant already exists in the database.

The rose I was redirected to shares a nickname with another rose: "The Shell Rose", and the database genie apparently thinks that if the roses share one name, they must be the same rose?

At any rate, 'Comtesse de Labarthe' is spelled wrong, if anyone can fix that.

Virginia
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Sep 11, 2018 12:16 AM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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If you're correcting the spelling of a name, you should submit a name edit proposal. I don't see any record of a name edit you've proposed, so I'm not sure which steps you took to arrive at The Shell Rose, which is another name of the same rose. It's also called Duchesse de Brabant and Countess Bertha. Our database genie does not think that roses sharing a name are the same rose, but it does know that the same rose can have several different names.

I have corrected the spelling.

Rose (Rosa 'Duchesse de Brabant')
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Sep 11, 2018 12:15 PM CST
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Name: Virginia

When I tried to submit a name change edit, I was immediately and consistently "corrected", and referred to the other rose called "the Shell Rose". I was not able to submit the request, which is why I think there's a glitch.

Thanks for fixing it.

Virginia
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Sep 11, 2018 12:39 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Again, The Shell Rose is not "the other rose." It's the same rose, which has four commonly used names.

You would have been proposing an edit of the entry for that rose, so the system never would have directed you to the same entry you were trying to change. The steps you took must have differed from the simple steps of a name edit.
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Sep 11, 2018 2:45 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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This thread has created the impression that Virginia did something wrong, so in her defense I have to say that she did all the right things and was thwarted by the system. She was correcting one of the names (Comtesse de Labarthe) of Duchesse de Brabant and the system didn't allow her to complete her proposal because another of the names of Duchesse de Brabant is The Shell Rose, which is also an alternative name for Reine Victoria, so the system issued a duplicate warning and referred her to the Reine Victoria entry.
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Sep 11, 2018 3:05 PM CST
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Name: Virginia

I think you are unable to recreate the problem because you have administrative powers, but I did use the correct name edit process, and when I tried to submit the spelling correction for approval, I got this message: "The plant you're trying to change this to already exists! You can access it at this page."

The "this page" link did not loop back to 'Duchesse de Brabant'; it went to 'Reine Victoria'. The only reason I can see for that is because they share the same nickname, "the Shell Rose".

I call that a glitch. And I just tested it by trying to edit another of the four names, and got the same error message. If you have a dummy account without administrative powers, you might be able to see what I mean.

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Sep 11, 2018 3:28 PM CST
Plants Admin
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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I now do understand what happened, as I said in my previous post. If you had mentioned Reine Victoria in your earlier posts, I would have seen the dawn earlier. Smiling Sorry it took me so long to understand your explanation.

It isn't really a glitch; it's a defense mechanism. There are comparatively few cases of legitimate duplicate names, as yours is. In most cases, people propose duplicate names because they haven't bothered to look the names up in the database.
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