I think we have to be greatfull for Barry's work on pink SDBs. He saw a bit of orange beard way down in the flower of 'Regards' & started to work. We still have Regards & I would never have thought to use it. I reaquired 'Chanted' this past year. yes, one has to be careful & catch the true BBs. Even 'Niche' which won the top award this year, I would not touch for breeding. It has a lovely flower, but the plant itself is too much like a TB.