Bev, the seed Ramona grew was from Lilium davidii var. wilmottiae open pollinated. I am not sure when she started them, but I offered the seed in fall 2007 and 2009 (not 2008). So this past season would probably have been their second year. She dmailed me the pic. They weren't that spectacular, like Andrew's were, nevertheless they are my first babies come to fruition, so they do excite me.