DesertgardenLV, you have mentioned a couple roses I am not familiar with, so thanks. I will check them out on Helpmefind.com/roses. I can say but th Plum Perfect and Belinda's Dream do well fir me and are also growing nicely at our local Brec Botanical Garden, where I occasionally volunteer when they have pruning or planting events. I used to have Pope John Paul II, which is pretty and fragrant. But I sprayed it at that time, so amI have no exierience with it as a no-spray rose. I had/have limited space, so I stupidly felj for the hype about Sugar Moon. It is a rubty plant here, not just mine but also the whole row of them at the LSU test garden. I shovel pruned mine. Both Paloma Blanca(from Roses Unlimited) and Easy Spirit(from Heirloom) are looking VERY promising for me as white roses. PB is a Buck rose shrub but has hybrid tea form and pure white color. ES is more like creamy porcelain, looks fragile but is holds up well to rain and heat so far. Neither is very fragrant, though.