If you were planning on, for any reason, viewing the rose garden part of Munsinger/Clemem's (rose part) gardens do not waste your time.
If they had 12 dozen flowers, 10 dozen are dead, this is not an exaggeration.
I spoke with an employee in the garden junk shop what happened; I did not get there at all last summer.
She said two years ago they had a bad disease problem.
So I asked how many people they had working there and she said they had 24 people on the garden board; with 4 people in charge of the roses with a senior "rose expert" in charge of those.
I said they had, had a serous black spot problem for years, and she said that she was not part of the garden care group but that yes they had had problems for quite some time now.
Then I said if they are planting new roses in old soil over and over they are just beating their head s against a wall, and she gave one of those odd facial looks of I know more than I am saying or should say and she said "yes, I think that is what she is doing"
She got a phone call so I let her do her work.
As I left I saw that in the area where the shrub/bush roses were doing OK, it was FULL of long quake grass going into seed.
Ever since Mrs. Clemens and here husband died that part of the garden has been going down hill which will soon be closer to ten than five years.
The original Munsinger Garden, down by the river, looks pretty good but different people take care of that.
