You're right, Cindi. That's a good name for something loud, such as Ketchup & Mustard.
Steve, I don't think I understand your comment about hybrid teas grafted onto Dr. Huey being "six inch tall plants." Do you mean they shrank after you planted them? Even bare-root grafted plants are much taller than 6 inches when they arrive. And what does black spot have to do with it? I can understand it affecting the foliage, but not the height.