I trimmed another 20 or so roses tonight. I think this will be the last year I order from Palatine. As of so far, the only confirmed dead roses I have that I'm 100% sure that are 100% dead are Palatine roses.. which is weird. But, I'm sure that DayBreaker is dead and I lost Moody Blues. Roses I pick up locally seem to survive amazingly. I'm getting tired of dead.. I think that, when I pull dead roses out, I'll just replace them with non-rose plants. Various shrubs, perennials.. that kinda thing. Tired of the thorns, tired of the dead. Got about another 150+ roses to trim.. depressing that I've already filled a 65 gal garbage can 1/2 way with dead canes (I put the canes in & then smash them down with an 8lb pounder so that it flattens out).