Oh good - I planted them at the front of a high (26" )raised bed, so they have 3-4" of support as long as they lean the right way. Maybe I'll put in a guide string to keep them pushed forward a bit. They are in my kitchen garden, along the front of two 3x10ft beds that will have pole beans on a trellice, with these in front of them. I planted abut 50 of them.