I do not have the time or patience for seeds and the ones I tried, I ended up killing. I would recommend if you are new to dl altogether that you start with some cheap reliable oldies and see how it goes. Do not spend a lot of money, which is easy to do, and then end up killing them due to being a newbie and that would be a waste. You can always spend more money and time later after you get a feel for them, and for what you like and really want. I advise to order some cheap ones to plant right away (or whenever is time in your area) and then join a local dl or garden club, visit some dl nurseries if there are any in your area , order some catalogs, view websites and compare photos from different sources before making choices. Try to see some gardens in person before committing with your wallet.