JungleShadows said:'Cobweb Joy' is a sister to 'Denise's Cobweb' and 'Kanno's Cobweb' although it was not named by Patty. I'm not sure whether it was Helen or Shirley Rempel that named the plant for her. All 3 tend to produce thicker stolons and fewer increase than other cobwebs so the clumps are a bit more open. 'Denise's Cobweb' produces many fasciated rosettes and passes that trait onto its seedlings.
JungleShadows said:'Cobweb Joy' is a sister to 'Denise's Cobweb' and 'Kanno's Cobweb' although it was not named by Patty. I'm not sure whether it was Helen or Shirley Rempel that named the plant for her. All 3 tend to produce thicker stolons and fewer increase than other cobwebs so the clumps are a bit more open. 'Denise's Cobweb' produces many fasciated rosettes and passes that trait onto its seedlings.
JungleShadows said:'Cobweb Joy' is a sister to 'Denise's Cobweb' and 'Kanno's Cobweb' although it was not named by Patty. I'm not sure whether it was Helen or Shirley Rempel that named the plant for her. All 3 tend to produce thicker stolons and fewer increase than other cobwebs so the clumps are a bit more open. 'Denise's Cobweb' produces many fasciated rosettes and passes that trait onto its seedlings.
JungleShadows said:When Helen first listed 'Tamerlane' in 1977 it did not have a "b' in it but the Alpine Gardens of 1980 adds the b back into the name. It seems to be more commonly spelled with the additional b now. Patty made the cross of 'Sanford Hybrid' X montanum var. stiriacum to produce a coppery brown with velvet. Some of the seedlings from this cross were smooth and she wondered if some were contaminated by the bees. However, I think the cross is true. The flower colors are what one would expect from such a mating as well as the rosettes.
JungleShadows said:Polly Bishop ONLY introduced 3 of her Sempervivum.
They were all introduced in the 1978 catalog of Betty Bronow (The Perennial Garden). 'Pink Lemonade' is a seedling of 'Magnificum'. The two dark ones were from a large lot of seedlings of 6 different dark Sempervivum. Polly took the blooming plants of each of these varieties and criss-crossed the flowering stalks so that the bees would cross these flowers in every direction. She gathered all the seed and 'Dark Cloud' and 'Plumb Rose' were selected out. Frankly there were a dozen other very fine ones that probably should have been named, especially some very dark ones.
JungleShadows said:Polly Bishop ONLY introduced 3 of her Sempervivum.
They were all introduced in the 1978 catalog of Betty Bronow (The Perennial Garden). 'Pink Lemonade' is a seedling of 'Magnificum'. The two dark ones were from a large lot of seedlings of 6 different dark Sempervivum. Polly took the blooming plants of each of these varieties and criss-crossed the flowering stalks so that the bees would cross these flowers in every direction. She gathered all the seed and 'Dark Cloud' and 'Plumb Rose' were selected out. Frankly there were a dozen other very fine ones that probably should have been named, especially some very dark ones.
JungleShadows said: Helen Payne lists a "Lowe's 60"/"Lown's 60" in her 1969 catalog but not afterwards.
"Beautiful medium-sized rosette, softly furred edges and tips".
It was not listed in subsequent lists and that may be because Bill had decided it was the same as 'Alpha'. Many of the plants that Helen received from Sandy MacPherson were actually seedlings of the variety and what Helen was selling was not Lown's 60/Lowe's 60. Maybe this should be annotated in the data base that "The original 'Lown's 60' was very similar if not identical to 'Alpha' and what is distributed as this cultivar now is likely a seedling of this plant."
Sempervivum 'Oh My' is one of our favorites for the rock garden...not to mention one of the best survivors in our heat and humidity trials. The large 5" rosettes of Sempervivum 'Oh My' are brilliant reddish-brown and form a compact 12" wide offsetting patch in 5 years. Good drainage is important with all hen and chickens. - See more at: http://www.plantdelights.com/S...
JungleShadows said: 'Jungle Shadows' was rather unique when it was born and I still find it a very pleasing semp. Visitors to my garden have really enjoyed it. It is also proving to be a very interesting parent as well. I raised a large crop from both hand crosses and bee set seed when I was in MA and 'Jungle Fires' came out of the bee seed.
The list published on the Slovenian site is mostly right although they have credited Shirley Rempel with 'Jungle Fires'. She did introduce it for me but it is definitely my hybrid.
JungleShadows said: There were two reds that were circulated from Malby. The one that was Latinized to his name I knew was a misuse of this and Sanford did the same with one of his. What I used back then was also called "Malby's #2", which you say has been renamed 'Gloriosum'. It was one of the few that retained its color a bit longer. I don't remember it being a bicolor, more of a solid red, at least in spring in MA. All of the seedlings in the cross to 'Olivette' were bi-colors, most with the wider, flatter form. 'Stuffed Olive' was the only one with the more "olive-formed" rosette, so it got the nod as an introduction.
Kevin Vaughn
JungleShadows said:Lynn,
I know this was discussed several pages ago but I can tell you that 'Atroviolaceum' was NOT hybridized by Mina Colvin. This was one that was found way back in Correvon's or Sanford's collection. The Heimlich form was from Heimlich's Nursery in Woburn, MA, probably some time in the early 60's. Mina's first two introductions were 'Raspberry Ice' and 'Silver Thaw'.
It is unfortunate that there were so many things with the 'Atroviolaceum' tag. It would have been better to call the Heimlich plant just 'Heimlich'. The two look quite different.
All of these should be pure tectorums so the one with pubescence sounds like a hybrid with montanum, not a pure tectorum.
OK my two cents!
Kevin
JungleShadows said:Lynn,
I know this was discussed several pages ago but I can tell you that 'Atroviolaceum' was NOT hybridized by Mina Colvin. This was one that was found way back in Correvon's or Sanford's collection. The Heimlich form was from Heimlich's Nursery in Woburn, MA, probably some time in the early 60's. Mina's first two introductions were 'Raspberry Ice' and 'Silver Thaw'.
It is unfortunate that there were so many things with the 'Atroviolaceum' tag. It would have been better to call the Heimlich plant just 'Heimlich'. The two look quite different.
All of these should be pure tectorums so the one with pubescence sounds like a hybrid with montanum, not a pure tectorum.
OK my two cents!
Kevin
JungleShadows said:Lynn,
I know this was discussed several pages ago but I can tell you that 'Atroviolaceum' was NOT hybridized by Mina Colvin. This was one that was found way back in Correvon's or Sanford's collection. The Heimlich form was from Heimlich's Nursery in Woburn, MA, probably some time in the early 60's. Mina's first two introductions were 'Raspberry Ice' and 'Silver Thaw'.
It is unfortunate that there were so many things with the 'Atroviolaceum' tag. It would ha e been better to call the Heimlich plant just 'Heimlich'. The two look quite different.
All of these should be pure tectorums so the one with pubescence sounds like a hybrid with montanum, not a pure tectorum.
OK my two cents!
Kevin
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