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Jul 31, 2014 8:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sandra Taylor
Cleburne,texas (Zone 7b)
Thank You! all help is appreciated.

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Jul 31, 2014 8:09 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
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Cross posted, Marilyn. Hilarious!

February is the best time for rose planting, here. We don't stay cold long enough for the ground to freeze up--usually. Big Grin

OldGardener, depends on the Lantana. I have Trailing Lavender Lantana and New Gold, both of which do well even in the hottest times. But I also have a couple of other NOIDs that sulk in hot months. Tis a gamble. Smiling You do have some great information and advice. Thumbs up
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Jul 31, 2014 8:42 PM CST
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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Debra, that is good to know about the lantana - thank you so much for the information. I have typically grown 'confetti' and whatever that common purple one is and those have proven to be tough, too, - at least in this part of Cali Smiling That "new gold" is vibrant - stunning!! - and the trailing lavender has such a serene look about it. Really nice lantana choices Thumbs up
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Jul 31, 2014 8:47 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I'll second Debra's saying Bulbine but she forgot the link:
Stalked Bulbine (Bulbine frutescens)

Rosemary takes all of it & laughs in it's face. Give it the very worst conditions you have & it will be happy.
Rosemary (Salvia rosmarinus)

These are the very coolest little bulbs. They like to get dry between rains or waterings & then when they get the moisture, in 2 or 3 days you will have so many lovely blooms it will knock your socks off. I call them giggle flowers b/c they always delight me & make me giggle.
http://garden.org/plants/searc...

For greenery ...... Junipers take a licking & keep on ticking:
http://garden.org/plants/searc...
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Jul 31, 2014 9:58 PM CST
Lakeland Florida (Zone 9a)
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I think you should try some cycads. I know a few different people who have some nice cycad gardens in Phoenix where they just had 119F, and the cycads look great. As an example, there are several south African species that experience 125 in habitat and with about 2 inches of rain the whole year. Your place can't be worse than that place. Tom
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Aug 1, 2014 5:34 AM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
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Didn't forget, didn't have it in my list, even though I uploaded a photograph. Sticking tongue out Have it there, now. Big Grin

No, not worse, Tom. Thankfully. Smiling
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Aug 1, 2014 6:54 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Crepe Myrtles! They love sun & once established, can handle drought like nobody's business. They make lovely small trees. You can get cultivars that only grow to 10 or 15 or 20' depending on what you want/need. You get gorgeous blooms & they will make shade for your yard & garden. The nice thing too is that they don't take up a whole lot of space.

Have a look. Crepe Myrtles for Texas!
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu...
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Aug 1, 2014 3:39 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
If it helps to have visuals, here is New Gold interplanted with the Trailing Lavender Lantana. You can see the Mexican Feather Grass at the front corners. Might look at Green Santolina, too, for your garden. Never cared for the silver foliage with those funky yellow blooms on the standard Santolina. This one is bright green and the blooms are cream/ivory, although you can't tell in the composite photo because the blooms are spent. Need to deadhead them only because I like the neater look. This second photograph is from May.
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And New Gold at the end of the driveway bed. Been there four or five years. All this from just two plants, side by side, and they produce an abundance of beauty every year.
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Aug 1, 2014 4:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sandra Taylor
Cleburne,texas (Zone 7b)
Thank You! I like the look you have sent with all the great information from all the great people I have heard from I am beginning to believe that my poor flowers were designed to fail as the time of year I purchased them, next garden will have a much better chance with all the information and types of plant news I was not aware of. I do not have a lot of space so I tend to go for small non invasive plants. I have often heard to have a great flower bed is prepare and with all i am receiving I should have good beds to show off. I have not planted anything with bulbs just usually my plants I have bought have been root bound. Thanks again and to all who have taken the time to write me I appreciate all. I am a work in progress.
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Aug 1, 2014 4:32 PM CST
So Cal (Zone 10b)
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It is so good to have you here. I can hardly wait to see your garden next year. I hope that you will take a lot of photos and share with us!
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Aug 1, 2014 4:41 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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LOL, Sandra -- believe me when I say we - and our gardens - are ALL "a work in progress" !! There's always some kind of surprise in the garden to deal with, no matter how long you've been at it. Usually it's just when you think you have something figured out that mother nature decides to teach you a new lesson Hilarious!

Fortunately we have this online community to come to for help!
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Aug 1, 2014 5:23 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
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Many of my plants came off the Lowes clearance racks. That way, if I lost one, I didn't lose a lot of money. But I had to go through a lot of those, too, until I figured out the best way to go forward with them. It's almost all experimentation. Looking forward to hearing about your progress. Smiling
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Aug 1, 2014 6:30 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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>> I have often heard to have a great flower bed is prepare

Sandra, I agree. Actually, I enjoy improving the soil more than I enjoy planting and weeding!

Giving yourself plenty of time to prepare the bed will pay off next year. The first time I heard the gardening adage
"don't plant a $5 plant in a $1 hole",
it was:
"don't plant a 25 cent plant in a 5 cent hole".

Adding bagged compost to soil now will improve it for next spring. Or better, start making compost now! The easiest way to make compost would be to spot-compost right in the future bed, or sheet-compost on top of it.
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Aug 1, 2014 6:41 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Excellent advice from Rick, and I would just add -- do everything you can to get rid of the grass and weeds* that will plague you forevermore otherwise. In particular, don't let any go to seed... there's a saying that goes something like "one year's seeds, 7 year's weeds." Which refers to the fact that those weed seeds can stay dormant for a LONG time in the soil.

*short of using any kind of herbicide that will stay in the soil, of course; not very conducive to growing a garden! Which just reminded me of the time my elderly FIL mistakenly used "Weed & Feed" to fertilize his little garden... Blinking
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Aug 1, 2014 7:13 PM CST
Lakeland Florida (Zone 9a)
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I think Rick had a good idea with making the soil in the holes better and more moisture retentive. I didn't read every word in every post, but did anyone mention using polymer "crystals" to incorporate in the soil and hold extra water for the roots? I used to install polymers under all the annuals I would put in my landscapes. Instead of the really expensive packets of those things, they can be bought in multi pound boxes. I used to get a ten pound box a couple of times a year. They ARE pretty amazing to work with. Tom
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Aug 4, 2014 3:56 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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I haven't tried them yet (water-holding polymer "crystals"), but I've been intending to.

My heavy clay soil holds plenty of water, but I like the idea that these polymer beads expand and contract as they soak and dry out. If that means that they create small voids in the clay, I'm interested.

Like little tiny broadforks that open up the soil from the inside.
Or room temperature frost heaves.

Has anyone seen this happening?
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Aug 4, 2014 4:03 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Let me know what you think of them, Rick. Years ago, when the potting soil with the crystals first came out, I tried that potting soil but really couldn't tell much difference. Perhaps the crystals have been improved or just using more of them works better.
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Aug 4, 2014 4:20 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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drdawg said:Let me know what you think of them, Rick. Years ago, when the potting soil with the crystals first came out, I tried that potting soil but really couldn't tell much difference. Perhaps the crystals have been improved or just using more of them works better.


I had the same experience... and the same thought, that maybe I just didn't use enough. Confused
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Aug 4, 2014 4:28 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Outdoors is the only place I would use them. I think it's an "off-label" usage ... trying to create voids in heavy clay.

I should also look at the cost: how many cubic feet of compost could I buy for the price of ten pounds of "water polymers".
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Aug 4, 2014 4:47 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
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Sandra, take a look at Cannas, too. When I first got my house, there were dozens of them thriving in the foot-wide strip between the house and the driveway. No water, no tending, nothing. I now have some dwarfs that are just left to trundle along. They do fine. Keep in mind with everyone's plant suggestions, that you will have to water them until they are established, which could take a month, could take a year, depends on the plant.
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