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Sep 25, 2011 3:23 PM CST

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Looks like you have a Pandanus tectorius there. I've got a few started from seed but they're still quite small
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Sep 26, 2011 3:01 PM CST
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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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I love those screw pines but I lost two to winter frosts and gave up trying to grow them.

Jim
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Sep 27, 2011 4:23 PM CST
Name: Fred Rump
Naples, Fl
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I finally got out some ladders and cleaned the dead stuff out of mine. I cut dead branches off and sealed them with pruning paint. Maybe they'll sprout again if we survive a milder winter. I removed all the dead fronds and was attacked by millions of ants who didn't like me disurbing their habitat. There were frogs up there and bees and who knows what else. I didn't linger up there too long.

Went shopping for Live Oaks today and found some nice 300 gallon tubs with large trees. Still need to get some pricing as to getting them here and planted.
fred
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Sep 28, 2011 9:12 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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I have this cycad that has sent out very nice shoots!

Photo taken on 08Sept2011
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This time the leaves have fully opened: photo taken on 21Sept2011
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I have this little one, some of the leaves were wilted, photo taken on 08Sept2011
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After some more watering, it is now recovering a little better, the leaves are starting to get green again, the other leaves are not cooperating though..will wait a bit, if after a month it is still so white, will chop it off.

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Sometimes I get confused, knowing that cycads are drought tolerant, but then again at times it is so thirsty!
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Oct 3, 2011 7:48 AM CST
Name: Fred Rump
Naples, Fl
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Couldn't keep my wallet closed and brought another cycad home from the Fall Plant sale at Tropiflora in Sarasota. Really went there to buy some more broms but then I got to talking to a palm/cycad vendor and lost the battle. So some of the non-broms brought home were - drum roll please:

Pachypodium lamerei var. ramosum (it was on sale for 3 bucks and called out to me). It's common name is Madagascar Palm so I guess it belongs here.
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Then came my first variegated Rhapis excelsa (Lady Palm in white)
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Then came a frost tolerant palm called a Mule Palm - Butyagrus nabonnandii (Butia capitata x Syagnus)
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Note that every plant I bought had to be frost tolerant. I'm still a bit nervous from last winter. The sign and the cycad Dioone edule:
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Fred
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Oct 6, 2011 3:13 PM CST
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Name: Jim Hawk
Odessa, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Good buys, Fred. They are all pretty frost tolerant except for the Madagascar palm. I lost mine a couple of winters ago, at 28 degrees, it turned to mush. It is related to the plumerias and has about the same cold tolerance.

Jim
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Oct 6, 2011 5:48 PM CST
Name: Fred Rump
Naples, Fl
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My other Madagascars survived. They lost some of their tops but then sprouted new arms in the Spring. I had also wrapped them but apparently not enough.
fred
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Oct 27, 2011 4:48 AM CST
Name: Ferenc
Wouw, Netherlands
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Have been folowing this tread for some time, love cycads and have a few off them. At the start of the spring i had a serious problem my biggest cycad had rot in his top, tried to remove as much of the rot pulp and after that i filled up the hole with barbecue ash.
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Thumb of 2011-10-27/Ferenc/2ead8c just before the top started to rot.

Thumb of 2011-10-27/Ferenc/a12caf after a week of four it started to push up some new leafs and i i started to give it some 14-5-28 fertilizer
It looked like the top whas imploding
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At this moment it looks like this , if the leafs reach the same size as they where i,ll have a problem to gett it out of my greenhousse


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Apr 16, 2013 10:35 AM CST
Name: Erik
San Juan Island Washington and
Container Gardener Tropicals
Very interesting that the picture of the advertising for the Mule palm is my photo that I took at our nursery 5 years ago.

Fred said:Couldn't keep my wallet closed and brought another cycad home from the Fall Plant sale at Tropiflora in Sarasota. Really went there to buy some more broms but then I got to talking to a palm/cycad vendor and lost the battle. So some of the non-broms brought home were - drum roll please:

Pachypodium lamerei var. ramosum (it was on sale for 3 bucks and called out to me). It's common name is Madagascar Palm so I guess it belongs here.
Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/81705e

Then came my first variegated Rhapis excelsa (Lady Palm in white)
Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/a24f54

Then came a frost tolerant palm called a Mule Palm - Butyagrus nabonnandii (Butia capitata x Syagnus)
Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/52b4e4 Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/09092f

Note that every plant I bought had to be frost tolerant. I'm still a bit nervous from last winter. The sign and the cycad Dioone edule:
Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/8bc140 Thumb of 2011-10-03/Fred/08f6d3

Fred





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Apr 16, 2013 10:37 AM CST
Name: Erik
San Juan Island Washington and
Container Gardener Tropicals
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Apr 16, 2013 10:41 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
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Once it's on the internet, you no longer have control over your pictures unless you watermark them or protect them in some other way; it's a sad truth!
There is a Plumeria lover who takes the BEST pictures I have ever seen; they end up on Ebay regularly even though he has them set as unable to copy....
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Apr 17, 2013 4:39 PM CST
Name: Erik
San Juan Island Washington and
Container Gardener Tropicals
Maybe I worded that wrong. I am actually quite pleased someone would use my photo. I think its great.
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May 24, 2013 8:30 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
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I have a question for Erik or any other palm person. I have a Brazilian Sand Palm (Allagoptera arenaria) and I would like to grow out some of the seeds. I tried with one batch and nothing sprouted. There is another group of seeds on the tree that look fertile but I don't know. Should I remove them now and try again? Should I wait and watch for them to fall of or put them in a loose bag? Once I have the seeds, how difficult is it to get them to sprout?

Here's the palm

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and a close up of the seed frond

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May 25, 2013 7:22 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
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I don't know about this one specifically but many palm seeds can take a long time to sprout. I would google it....
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May 25, 2013 8:20 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Jonna, I only have experience with the palms around here that 'naturally' seed themselves. I'd wait until the seeds drop off the stem on their own, then try planting them. You'll know they're ripe, then.

Some seeds need soaking, some need cracking, nicking or peeling, and some even need to pass through the digestive system of a bird or animal to germinate. Do you know anyone with a Brazilian parrot that might "process" one for you?
Elaine

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May 25, 2013 9:30 AM CST
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Name: Sandi
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http://www.palms.org/ and go to questions. You might find an answer there.
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May 25, 2013 7:34 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
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That's a great web site, I got lost almost immediately and had to force myself to close out as I had an appt. I hadn't yet found advice for seed starting but I will keep looking. Here's another pic of the palm that I think is better as there was a cloud passing and the sun didn't bleach out the picture as much. It's a wonderful palm, the pool water doesn't faze it and the corkscrew growth is really interesting. I want to be able to give some seedlings to friends.

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May 29, 2013 6:04 AM CST
Name: Erik
San Juan Island Washington and
Container Gardener Tropicals
Most palm seeds do not like to be planted in individual cells. I do not have experience germinating the palm in question. For all the palms that I have germinated I use bottom heat at 95F planted as close together as possible. Some seeds like to be stored in a fridge before hand then soaked in Water for a couple days. Here is the only information I could find on your palm for germination.

The optimal germination conditions for seashore palm seeds include prolonged exposure to high temperatures from 90-100ºF (32-37.8ºC) and high humidity. Keep the seed moist at all times.
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May 29, 2013 12:25 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
The WITWIT Badge Region: Mexico Garden Procrastinator I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Ponds Tropicals
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plumerias Plays in the sandbox Dog Lover Cat Lover
OK, well at this time of the year I can fulfill those requirements outside. Maybe that is what I should do instead of the individual cells and no full sun that I tried before. I will wait for this batch to fall off the stem and then put them all together in a pot next to mama. We are about to enter our rainy season so keeping them wet will not be a problem, high humidity = check, high temperatures = check. Since this palm is from tropical Brazil I will skip the refrigerator, I doubt they want to be cold.

Do you have any idea how long? Should I keep the ones I still have moist and see if they eventually germinate?

Thanks so much for answering.
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May 30, 2013 5:43 AM CST
Name: Erik
San Juan Island Washington and
Container Gardener Tropicals
I would keep the old seeds unless you notice some rot. I have had seeds germinate up to 3 years out.

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