OMG, I can't believe this. The Coral Sunset broken roots that I replanted last fall have buds. I see a total of 2 buds that look very promising that they will make it to bloom. This is incredible! I thought that it would take them a couple of years before they will flower.

That is great news Karen. I was mentioning this to the fellow in charge of plants at our botanical garden. We have just about every gold medal winner except one that I cannot find and three tree peonies. We have two TP that I purchased for the garden and put in the research bed as an experiment. They both have pips so the next trick is to see how they fare over winter and if any blossom buds blast next spring. I think they would consider a little TLC for those few trees we might get to fill out our collection. Am also working on filling in their fernleaf peonies. They are so lovely and would do really well in our climate.

I told Mike about the adventitious roots and will give him the partial list posted here along with your hood news. I have the same news for my Coral Sunset. Two scrawny roots that I potted up winter 2014-15 that survived, then planted outside, which then were puny and all but dead (looking). When fall came last year I dug them up thinking they were dead but they had growth (pips) so I put them in a better bed and both have come through with nice growth. So I guess that sort of proves the hypothesis that roots even without eyes can grow to plants.

I may try it on one of my other ones from the list or maybe just buy one to experiment on.

What's the Gold Medal Winner that you haven't found, Mary Stella? We can keep an eye out for it as well.

Harry Little (awarded in 1934, Nichols hybridized in 1933) and Nick Shaylor (gold medal in 1941, hybridized by Shaylor - Allison in 1931). I doubt Harry Little is still in cultivation. I am sort of surprised that I show that I didn't get Nick Shaylor. I thought it was fairly common. I bought two Mahogony for shipment this fall, one for ABG and one for myself. It was terribly expensive when it first came out and received the gold medal then dropped like a rock. Figures.

Pastelegance is another new one that is out if sight in price. Almost as bad as Lemon Chiffon. It will be interesting to see how long it holds that price.

Thanks for the offer on the missing plants. Can't really say we have them 'all' if one is missing even if it is no longer in cultivation. Truth in advertising and all that.

I've never heard of Harry Little but Nick Shaylor should be pretty easy. I got Pastelegance 2 falls ago, it bloomed last year which was nice and it's growing this year. Also got Lemon Chiffon the same fall but lost the single bud to hail, hopefully this year!

Update on my Coral Sunset plants from adventitious roots. Here is a bloom on one plant and buds on another. Pretty impressive for roots with no visible eyes to bloom within the first year of planting.

kousa said:Update on my Coral Sunset plants from adventitious roots. Here is a bloom on one plant and buds on another. Pretty impressive for roots with no visible eyes to bloom within the first year of planting.

That is very impressive, for sure! Lovely.

I believe that you can add Lorelei to the list.

If your browser can translate Swedish to English (or your preferred language)...

https://pionisten.se/pioner/hy...

"Can be propagated by root fragments without eyes."

The site has some pretty good peony observations - it might be worth re-examining your peonies through this lens.

EDIT: The list, in text format. Hopefully I didn't miss anything.

From Allan Rogers book:

Athena
Birthday
Blaze
Burning Bright
Carina
Chalice
Claudia
Constance Spry
Coral Fay
Cytherea
Early Scout
Ellen Cowley
Eventide
Flame
Gold Glow
Laddie
Laura Magnuson
Legion of Honor
Lustrous
Mid May
Nosegay
Nova
Paladin
Paula Fay
Prairie Moon
Red Glory
Red Red Rose
Rose Garland
Rose Tulip
Roselette
Rosy Cheek
Royal Rose
Salmon Glow
Skylark
Sunlight


From Forum Members:

Burma Ruby
Circus Circus
Coral Charm
Coral Sunset
Diana Parks
Ellen Crowley
Joker
Lorelei
Pink Derby
Salmon Beauty

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From Allan Rogers book, Claudia is missing and Royal Rose (not Royal Roselette).

I can add from my garden: Salmon Beauty and Diana Parks. These two popped up by their mother plants.

anyagoro said:From Allan Rogers book, Claudia is missing and Royal Rose (not Royal Roselette).

I can add from my garden: Salmon Beauty and Diana Parks. These two popped up by their mother plants.

Thanks! I've corrected and updated the list to reflect those changes.

I have a NOID that popped up from adventitious roots, so I have planted broken roots from Old Rose Dandy and a couple regular peonies to see. I also think that my Coral Sunset from Hirt's garden was a adventitious root, but I did not know at the time. I probably should have planted the adventitious roots in their own space as a better trial...but we'll see when I divide them.

Nate at Solaris was writing that he can't graft tree peonies on to herb. peonies with adventitious roots but adventitious roots helps with propogation.

Karen, about how big was the root on Coral Sunset? I would love the get some off mine and put that in a new spot.

Annie, it will grow eyes from any size roots the size of a medium carrot. I have not tried it with smaller pieces so I don't know. I have so many Coral Sunset plants and have given away many of them over the years. In fact, I just found out I have a Coral Sunset plant growing near a spot that I dug up 2 year from a plant that I grew from an adventitious root. I have been wondering what it was until I remembered that I did dig up a Coral SUnset plant not far from this two years ago. I guess it took a year or 2 to develop the eye. I think the bigger the root, the faster the eye will develop and bloom.

Karen, I am very tempted to dug up mine and see if I can get a root to try...I have so much else to do it might be next year.

I just planted Joker and it had an extra sliced off root, so I planted it close and we will see how long it takes to get that second plant...so exited!

I found this list floating about in the ether of the internets, so I can't really say for sure if it is more hopeful than factual...

Abalone Pearl
Birthday
Blaze
Blushing Princess
Burning Bright
Carina
Chalice
Cherry Ruffles
Chocolate Soldier
Christmas Velvet
Claudia
Command Performance
Commando
Constance Spry
Coral 'n Gold
Coral Charm
Coral Fay
Coral Sunset
Cytherea
Diana Parks
Early Scout
Early Windflower
Eliza Lundy
Ellen Cowley
Etched Salmon
Eventide
Flame
Golden Glow
Goldilocks
Heidi
Imperial Parasol
John Harvard
Joker
Laddie
Laura Magnuson
Legion of Honor
Lemon Chiffon
Lorlei
Lovely Rose
Lustrous
MacKinac Grand
Many Happy Returns
Merry Mayshine
Mid May
Nippon Gold
Nosegay
Nova
Old Faithful
Paladin
Paula Fay
Pink Cotton Candy
Pink Hawaii Coral
Pink Teacup
Pink Vanguard
Prairie Moon
Promonade
Raspberry Charm
Red Glory
Red Red Rose
Red Signal
Rose Garland
Rose Tulip
Roselette
Rosey Cheek
Royal Rose
Salmon Dream
Salmon Glow
Scarlett O'Hara
Skylark
Sunlight
Viking Valor
Walter Mark
Westerner

73 varieties, total. I've got 14 (and 12 of those were just luck) of them so I guess I'll be doing some experimenting in coming years.

Also, the reading that I've done suggests that you might not even see a stem until year 2. I think that Karen's thoughts about the larger the root mass equating into better results is spot on. I think that this is a form of propagation that favors allowing the plants to reach maturity (4 or 5 year) so they can have larger roots.

My plan will be to plant them in a pot / bag for a year and attempt to transplant them to the ground once they are approaching dormancy. So that first year is going to be a difficult no peek ;)

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That's a great list., Top!

I moved one of my Old Faithfuls last year. Maybe I will see some growth in the spot this year. That would be a bonus! Of course I moved it because it was too shady there and OF wasn't blooming.

Etched Salmon and Old Faithful are generally more expensive because division difficulties - one has weird crown, another huge roots. I would treat this list with a grain of salt, but would not say it is impossible. Also, those two are not super fast developing plants, so I wonder how long will it take for them to have new eyes if they have adventitious roots. I have OF for 5 years and do not feel that it changed a lot, even the roots were weird to begin with...

AlexUnder said:Etched Salmon and Old Faithful are generally more expensive because division difficulties - one has weird crown, another huge roots. I would treat this list with a grain of salt, but would not say it is impossible.

Lemon Chiffon and Lorelei are also higher dollar plants. But yes, when I saw these 4 on the list, it made me wonder about the accuracy of it.


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A few varieties on the list are lactiflora. I doubt they have adventitious roots.