Jon - Thanks for replying to my question. You can thank Mike ( @Hazelcrestmikeb ) for those 2 seedlings. I just passed a few on to you to try in your hybridizing program. Mike sent me a lot of seeds of which I knew I could not grow them all out right away. That would be cool if that trait stays with the plant. If so, I agree ... would be a worthy one to name and register!

Christine - That is a good question. It was originally registered as a dip. But Beautiful Edging has also been converted to tet version as well. To find out, she would have to try hand-pollinating different blooms ... one bloom with dip pollen and ... another bloom with tet pollen to see which one takes. That would give you your answer as to which ploidy pollen to use.

Beautiful Edgings is a diploid and sets seeds easily. I think it is a very good parent choice. I have very nice bloomed seedlings crossed with Heavenly Pink Butterfly, String Streamer, and Heavenly Angel Ice. I am growing Beautiful Edging seedlings crossed with about 20 diploids both registered cultivars and my own seedlings. My BE seedlings are most all taller than BE and several have very strong scapes and good branching and bud counts, plus pretty flowers. I posted some pics in the June seedling forum. Welcome to your daughter and trying her hand at crossing DL's. Good chance she can get nice seedlings from BE.

Terry

Natalie,
Entrapment self pollinates here and is loaded with pods every year. I have harvested some but never started any of them. I doubt they will create your ugly seedling, but will tell of our last club presenter. He has a picture in his presentation of the ugliest seedling and says he should not have trashed it since he has had so many people wanting to purchase it. He had to tell that it went to the compost pile after several asking how much to buy it.
I think what you need to do to create the ugly seedling is to choose what you think are two beautiful Tets and cross them together with great expectations. Or Ashton can just send you the ugliest seedlings because he has a collection.

Terry

I'm sure that Ashton is going to be very happy to hear that!

I've had many people offer their ugly seedlings, but if my past attempts at hybridizing are any indication, I won't have any trouble creating another ugly one! I am going to do this on my own though, because of the personal nature behind it. If I'm every successful, the name will be Hybernized Easter Egg. My Dad always says hybernized, instead of hybridized. Even though I've created some real duds, none of them have actually been ugly enough to qualify for disgusting. I'm going for disgusting!

Disgusting may actually be difficult to accomplish.

You haven't seen my earlier attempts. I almost made "disgusting".

Is there a list somewhere of dls that are just super easy pod parents. Just walking thru the garden I notice that some will be loaded with bee pods and other will not have a single one. I stay with Mom 3 days each week. I dead head when I get home so I have noticed this.

Of course many of the ones I am trying to cross will be bare.

Ashton, my son just graduated from Murray State with an agriculture degree. He is working for a seed company. There are many careers with plants. Teresa

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Natalie said:

I'm sure that Ashton is going to be very happy to hear that!

I've had many people offer their ugly seedlings, but if my past attempts at hybridizing are any indication, I won't have any trouble creating another ugly one! I am going to do this on my own though, because of the personal nature behind it. If I'm every successful, the name will be Hybernized Easter Egg. My Dad always says hybernized, instead of hybridized. Even though I've created some real duds, none of them have actually been ugly enough to qualify for disgusting. I'm going for disgusting!

Try mixing yellows and purples together...I've been told that can oftentimes give you a 'dirty' seedling. Start with a couple that you know easily get waterspots, fade in a bad way in the sun, etc... That should help you get your ugly plant. Don't use heavily saturated colors.

Personally, one of the uglier cultivars I've come across was Phantom of the Opera....which was a REAL bummer for me because I'm a big POTO fan...so I purchased Broadway Phantom from Ashton and Terry (kidfishing)! It's arriving sometime this week, so I'm really excited! But for your ugly cultivar, I'd look into the Phantom of the Opera daylily (Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Phantom of the Opera')) and maybe mix it with a splotchier yellow cultivar or even try mixing it with a brown (like Milk Chocolate) or something else.

so.... i am back - daughter has been pollinating and the seed pods are forming... now what (we live in MN zone 4)

I have heard to gather little black seeds when pods open, put in dixie cup for at least 24 hours, then if little black seed is hard put it in a zip lock baggie with a piece of paper towel and throw in the crisper drawer in the fridge... check baggie for mosture frequently (and replace paper towel as needed) and then in the spring when she is ready to plant, pull seeds out of baggie and plant.

Is that accurate??

I don't use a paper towel. I leave my seeds out in a paper envelope for 3 days to completely dry and then put them into the ziploc baggies and into the crisper drawer of the fridge. In 3 days at room temp, they should be nice and dry.

I leave mine on the counter for a couple of days, in a dixie cup, then put them in a baggie, without a paper towel, and stick them in the crisper drawer. A paper towel probably wouldn't hurt, but shouldn't be needed, if they are dry. I've never had one sprout, that I can remember, so they must have been dry enough when I put them in the fridge.

You're going to find many ways to germinate them, and you'll need to find what works best for you. I always germinate mine in the fridge, but others take them out of the fridge. Some moisture is needed for that step, and I always use peroxide and water, but not everyone does that. There are lots of threads here where people discuss their method for germination. Other people just stick them in the ground, or in potting mix, and let them do their thing.

I dry them for a few days in applesauce cups. I like that they have more room and the seeds can be in a single layer. I gather new ripe pods and transfer the dried seeds to baggies on Wed. and weekends so I don't have to keep up with how long the seeds have been drying.

Since the blooming season is close to its end for me, I have been looking to see what pods have taken and still look good, many have turned brown and shriveled up. My best parent this year is Bold Heritage, setting lots of pods with several different pollen parents. Bold Heritage is one of my favorites, so I am hopeful for some nice seedlings in two or three years. I also have a Diploid NOID, that is absolutely loaded with bee pods.

Gale

That's what I use too Leslie. I collect all the tiny fruit or yogurt cups and use them. I have a 5 shelf mini greenhouse in my kitchen that I purchased on ebay very reasonable about 5 years ago and that is where I dry my seeds.

After they have dried a day or two, how important is it to refrigerate them? Last year I had a pod that I shelled and put in a pill medicine container and set it in the garage. I found it probably 6-7 weeks later and couldn't remember what plant gave me the pod. It was hot, hot, hot in the garage for the time it spent there. I took those seeds out and soaked them overnight - maybe with hydrogen peroxide in the water and maybe not - and then planted them. Those seeds yielded 100% germination, so the hot storage clearly wasn't detrimental. That particular cross obviously didn't need stratification to germinate, either. I wouldn't advocate storing ANY kind of seeds in temperatures that hot and certainly not for a very long period, but how critical is it to store them in the refrigerator after only 2-3 days of drying time?

Back to the thread topic ... I have a question ....

Does anyone hybridize for rust resistance? If so, what is your favorite parent plants to use? I've recently acquired some plants which are listed as showing rust resistance.

Here are some of my RR cultivars:
Dips:
Beautiful Edgings
Gadsden Goliath
Lavender Stardust
Mister Lucky
Siloam Double Classic
Gleber's Top Cream
Jedi Brenda Spann
Sings the Blues

Tets:
Spanish Sketch
Emperor Butterfly
Paper Butterfly
Whooperee
Betty Warren Woods
Best Kept Secret
Calgary Stampede

And I will be getting a few more in Sept:
Red Volunteer (dip)
Chinese Scholar (tet)
All Fired Up (tet)

Has anyone used any of these as parents in their hybridizing programs?

My best parents for diploids are:

Trahlyta
Galaxy Explosion
Stargate Portal
Sexy Sally
Rosy Lights
Best of Friends
Mapping Pennsylvania
Emma's Green Giant
Dallas Star
Pink Cricket
Starman's Quest
Magic of Oz
Emerald Starburst
Memories of Oz
So Lovely
Lavender Blue Baby

For tetraploids:
OLD KING COLE - sets pods with just about any pollen
Highland Tower
Forestlake Ragauffin
Palace Garden Beauty
Spacecoast Starburst
Lavender Reflections
Raspberry Candy
Strawberry Candy
Buddy's Betsy
Larry's Obsession
Bangkok Bay
Leroy
Avante Garde
When Spirits Unite
Spacecoast Easy Rider
Momentum
Mystical Rainbow
President Ronald Reagan
Jim Spencer
Heartbeat of Heaven
Evermore Lights
Darla Anita

Cindy - Nice list of parents. Which ones are your top 5 and why?

Oh gosh, that is hard to pick 5 but I would say because they are so fertile and give me tons of seed, that Old King Cole, Galaxy Explosion, Strawberry Candy, Lavender Reflections and Starman's Quest would be the top 5. I haven't planted seeds from all of these but from Starman's Quest and Galaxy Explosion and have gotten nice seedlings from them.

Oh I forgot to mention Brushed By Bluebirds. That is proving to be a good fertile plant and it is a Galaxy Explosion kid.