It is confusing, Barbalee, lol!! I never have really figured it out

blue23rose said:It is confusing, Barbalee, lol!! I never have really figured it out

Confusing -- oh, yes ... especially when they are growing in the same area. Almost feel like saying, '' excuse me but may I count your petals ''?

Both are beautiful !

Y'all have a bloomin' day !

The root knot nematodes discussion was way off topic. They have their own thread now. Here's a link to the thread...
The thread "Root Knot Nematodes" in Daylilies forum

Char said:The root knot nematodes discussion was way off topic. They have their own thread now. Here's a link to the thread...
The thread "Root Knot Nematodes" in Daylilies forum

Thanks for moving it Char!! 👍🏻I'll edit my post to reflect this.

Pat

I just call them double ditch lilies. They're the hardiest daylily out of all the ones I have especially to diseases and crown rot (you can't ever kill them). Surprisingly, I've never had any double or regular ditch lily get Daylily Rust. I don't think they're prone to get DL rust.

SonoveShakespeare said:I just call them double ditch lilies. They're the hardiest daylily out of all the ones I have especially to diseases and crown rot (you can't ever kill them). Surprisingly, I've never had any double or regular ditch lily get Daylily Rust. I don't think they're prone to get DL rust.

'Kwanso' (as H. fulva var. kwanso) is listed as susceptible in Japan. But since you're in Zone 5 presumably you only get rust if you bring it in on new plants because it should not survive the winter.

Reported host plants for daylily rust
http://web.ncf.ca/ah748/hosts....

BobW said:..,,my observations would be based on the assumption that variegated Kwanso is a vegetative sport of green Kwanso and is identical other than foliage. If variegated Kwanso is the offspring of the other two, per the AHS database, then green Kwanso may bloom at a totally different time than its variegated namesake.

This is a reply to a very old post and I apologize if I'm repeating anyone.

I can't find anything in the AHS database entry for 'Variegated Kwanso' about its origin. It does not say it arose from the other two.

Bob, your assumption about the origin of 'Variegated Kwanso' is the same as the taxonomists' - it was a sport from 'Green Kwanso'. It is unstable, though, and the plain green can be produced by reversions from the variegated one.

Maintaining a variegated clump requires occasionally culling out the plain green ones. Not too hard to do since the "clumps" are very loose at first because of the rhizomatous nature of the increase fans.

Pat

Hortaholic said:

This is a reply to a very old post and I apologize if I'm repeating anyone.

I can't find anything in the AHS database entry for 'Variegated Kwanso' about its origin. It does not say it arose from the other two.

You can't find anything in the AHS database, Pat, @Hortaholic because, as you noted, it was an old post in this thread But up until about 5 years ago there was an error in the AHS database where the old checklist had been misinterpreted during the original data entry phase and 'Variegated Kwanso' given the parentage 'Green Kwanso' x 'Flore Pleno'. Because this is impossible parentage, and was not what was in the original check list, the error was corrected in 2016.

sooby said:

You can't find anything in the AHS database, Pat, @Hortaholic because, as you noted, it was an old post in this thread But up until about 5 years ago there was an error in the AHS database where the old checklist had been misinterpreted during the original data entry phase and 'Variegated Kwanso' given the parentage 'Green Kwanso' x 'Flore Pleno'. Because this is impossible parentage, and was not what was in the original check list, the error was corrected in 2016.

Thanks for the information about the misinformation, Sue ! 😄

I know the databases are a challenge to maintain and to make corrections. AHS is fortunate that knowledgeable volunteers like you are willing to contribute your time and talents to its ongoing support.

Pat

So...does the size of the plant/height of the scape differ from 'Kwanso' to 'Flore Pleno?' I have grown both, just not simultaneously. My comparison is potentially faulty because my 'Kwanso' plants in the past were planted in VERY well-amended soil that resulted in ridiculously vigorous growth from everything planted there (see the following pic of the same garden bed in fall).
There's a pretty huge difference between the fairly standard 'FP' fans I have now and the "corn stalk" habit of my past 'K' fans (see below, pics from one season about a month apart).
My current 'Flore Pleno' fans are in a pot with some Asiatic lilies, so their options for going wild are probably limited.
It's entirely possible I have these backward, but I don't think I do. The true 'FP' flowers I've seen have more tepals (petaloids?) and a much clearer/cleaner color. I could be way off...please let me know if I am!

So you're thinking this one is 'Kwanso'


and this one is 'Flore Pleno'?


If so, I would agree.

The true 'FP' flowers I've seen have more tepals (petaloids?) and a much clearer/cleaner color. I could be way off...please let me know if I am!

A "petaloid" (which is more correctly an adjective but even Stout used it as a noun sometimes) is a plant part that resembles a petal but isn't, it means petal-like. Usually in daylilies it refers to a petaloid stamen. A "tepal" is a word for petals and sepals when they are pretty much indistinguishable, unlike many other plants where the petals are coloured and the sepals are green. 'Kwanso's doubleness is mostly from petaloid stamens, whereas 'Flore Pleno's look more like actual extra layers of petals.

That's exactly how I was identifying these two, Sue.

I just knew I was using "petaloid" incorrectly! I had typed "tepals" but changed it based on previous posts in the thread.

I wish I still had 'Kwanso', my corn stalk daylily!

I have both and the colors both vary in intensity with location and light I think. The difference I've decided that's easiest is the Flore Pleno looks like stacked layers and the Kwanso is "doing the twist" My color variation is probably due to vast differences in soil as much of my yard was backfilled from the woods across the creek over a number of years and can vary a lot in just a few feet. And with 40 trees the shade intensity is highly variable . Kwanso seems to spread the fastest for me and can easily become invasive.

gini37sbcglobalnet said:Kwanso seems to spread the fastest for me and can easily become invasive.

I constantly dig up Kwanso every couple of years and put them by the curb with a sign that says "FREE". Surprisingly, once at the curb, they're usually gone before the next day.

Seeing how fast the ditch lilies disappeared from the curb, I assumed irises would be the same. Turns out, I haven't had much luck putting out irises. Even though they were "FREE", not many people took them.

sooby said:

Seeing how bright and colorful this flower is in this photo makes me hungry for mangos. Looks like a sliced mango and it looks very tasty.

All this having been said, does anyone have a fan of Flore Pleno that they'd be willing to part with?

I absolutely do not want Kwanso. I got enough comments when I didn't plant vegetables in my garden plot like everyone else, so the last thing I want is to plant a daylily variety with the charm of Godzilla (and the manners to match)

Oh, thank you in advance and hi! 👋

@Strigeidida,
Well, I am afraid that Flore Pleno seems to have the charm and manners of Kwanso. I just took some to the club plant sale, because it is my wife's favorite, but it seemed to be an unwelcome guest.

Sounds like it will have to be container grown. Odds are high that I will have to that with the rosea and fulva Korean that I planted this year. The one positive thing about all this is that no matter how pushy/grabby they are, they're still infinitely more desirable than crabgrass. I'll figure something out. Thank you for the head's-up. And nice to meet you!

Update: No blooms so far, but the foliage is consistent with the other Flore Plenos. I have hope.

bump

Thanks, Nan. This is one of those daylily subjects that seems to come up a lot, especially when new people get into daylilies. This is a great thread and it was nice to see Sharon's name and conversation again. I miss her!